SomeGuy
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10-14-17 12:15 AM - Post#233964
In response to jadwinjungle
Like the Bruner pick (though I didn't make it). Will be interesting to see who can make a big soph leap among all the great rookies from last year.
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mrjames
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10-15-17 01:38 PM - Post#234005
In response to SomeGuy
That 2016 class is gonna be an all-timer... NINE 2 win share players and 20 with half a win share as freshmen. Insanity.
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bradley
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Re: IVY FAN POLL
10-16-17 10:08 AM - Post#234035
In response to mrjames
Based on the assumption that Makai Mason will have lingering effects from foot injury:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Penn
Cornell
Columbia
Dartmouth
Brown
All Ivy:
Aiken
Oni
Stephens
Towns
Bruner
POY:
Stephens
ROY:
?
Ivy League Tournament Champion:
Pick a name out of a hat
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mrjames
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10-16-17 10:39 AM - Post#234037
In response to bradley
Alrighty... I'll dive in here. Haven't done the work I'd normally do (probably won't be able to this year, sadly), but generally this is where my head is at:
Princeton
Yale
Harvard
Penn
Columbia
Dartmouth
Cornell
Brown
The top three to me seem to be pretty even, so I'll be the one that goes against the grain.
Penn's sorta in no man's land right now, probably closer to Columbia/Dartmouth/Cornel l than HYP, but significantly enough in between that I can see why they're gonna be a near-unanimous pick for 4th.
I really think Columbia's strong freshman class is going to help it EASILY outperform the #283 ranking on Bart Torvik's site, but that's a lot of ground to make up on Penn. The freshman class projects for about 24 WS over four years in my model, and last year's seniors only combined for 5, so there's a fair deal of evidence that the production might not drop.
I'm not a believer in Cornell just yet (and especially to the crazy Top 200 level that others are). Probably unfair to have them below Dartmouth, but Columbia/Cornell/Dartmout h are about as hard to pick between as HYP.
Brown - it's all about the defense. We'll see. They'll score points, for sure.
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rbg
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10-16-17 11:23 AM - Post#234042
In response to mrjames
Regular Season:
Yale
Princeton
Harvard
Penn
Columbia
Dartmouth
Cornell
Brown
Agree with most people here that Harvard, Princeton and Yale are a toss-up for the top 3. While I think Harvard has the most overall talent of that top group, I believe that Yale and Princeton are more disciplined teams. Comparing the Bulldogs and Tigers, I think Yale has a stronger core.
With the other 5 programs, I feel that all but Brown will see improvement this season. Penn seems to be a solid four. Columbia should be better than what some non-Ivy commentators are stating. While I think that Dartmouth and Cornell are a little below Columbia, it is not that far a drop. I think Brown will have a harder time this season, but things look better for next season.
POY: Mason (Runner-Up Stephens)
ROY: Faulds (Runner-Up Much)
First-Team
Mason, Aiken, Morgan, Stephens, Boudreaux
Second-Team
Oni, Cannady, Towns, Brodeur, Brunner
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Columbia Alum
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10-16-17 12:53 PM - Post#234048
In response to SomeGuy
Approx KenPom rank at end of the season:
1. Yale 12-2 #50
2. Harvard 11-3 #70
3. Princeton 9-5 #120
4. Columbia 7-7 #175
5. Penn 6-8 #190
6. Cornell 5-9 #220
7. Dartmohth 4-10 #240
8. Brown 2-12 #300
POY - Mason
ROY - Faulds
1st Team -
Aiken
Mason
Stephens
Morgan
Smith
Boudreaux
2nd team -
Brodeur
Oni
Faulds
Towns
Cannady
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mrjames
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10-16-17 06:09 PM - Post#234060
In response to Columbia Alum
Last call!!!
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Mike Porter
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10-16-17 08:47 PM - Post#234067
In response to mrjames
Yale
Princeton
Harvard
Penn
Columbia
Dartmouth
Cornell
Brown
All Ivy:
Mason
Oni
Stephens
Towns
Brodeur
POY:
Mason
ROY:
Much
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tkapiko
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10-16-17 09:03 PM - Post#234068
In response to Mike Porter
Regular Season:
Yale
Harvard
Princeton
Penn
Cornell
Columbia
Dartmouth
Brown
POY: Oni
ROY: Faulds
1st Team: Mason, Stephens, Oni, Aiken, Towns
2nd Team: Bruner, Cannady, Boudreaux, Brodeur, Morgan
Ivy League Tournament Champion: Yale
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westphillywarrior
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10-16-17 10:52 PM - Post#234070
In response to mrjames
Three more predictions:
Harvard fans will really miss having Chambers to run the show.
Princeton fans will be disappointed that Much is not ready to play at this level this year. Desrosiers is more likely to contribute right away.
Penn fans will wage a pitched battle all year over the best lineup. It will be the Speedy Freshmen vs the Donahue Deliberates.
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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10-17-17 08:49 AM - Post#234073
In response to westphillywarrior
Penn fans will wage a pitched battle all year over the best lineup. It will be the Speedy Freshmen vs the Donahue Deliberates.
What are the odds of Donahue settling on a lineup before Ivy tournament time?
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mrjames
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10-17-17 09:29 AM - Post#234074
In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
Results posted here!!!
https://twitter.com/ivybball/status/92027 397270454...
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PennFan10
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10-17-17 09:44 AM - Post#234075
In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
Penn fans will wage a pitched battle all year over the best lineup. It will be the Speedy Freshmen vs the Donahue Deliberates.
What are the odds of Donahue settling on a lineup before Ivy tournament time?
I think you are being facetious. I think SD will settle on a lineup by the time IL play begins. He knows a lot more about his players this year than every before but also has some uncertainty with the return of AW and the 3 frosh. With the emergence of AJ and Betley, along with the experience he has coming back, he has the ability to be more patient with how he fits the new guys in. Last year he needed to figure out where his scoring was coming from, how they were going to defend and who was best fit for those roles. This year, as they shift to 2 bigs, there is some uncertainty as to who will become the producers alongside those top 3, but it seems more defined. And on defense I think they know what they have already.
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Silver Maple
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10-17-17 10:03 AM - Post#234076
In response to PennFan10
I'm pretty sure that, if you caught Steve in a moment of candor (perhaps with the involvement of alcoholic beverages), he would acknowledge that he took too long last season to settle on a lineup. I don't think he's going to make the same mistake this year.
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PennFan10
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10-17-17 10:13 AM - Post#234078
In response to mrjames
Mike,
Thanks for doing this. It's a fun way to kick things off. Love your stuff on twitter.
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Tiger69
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10-17-17 10:40 AM - Post#234080
In response to PennFan10
Ditto to PennFan10's remark. It's fun to have an appetizer to the long-awaited season to debate and carp about. There were no MR Jameses at harvard in my day.ðŸ…
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SomeGuy
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10-17-17 11:32 PM - Post#234117
In response to westphillywarrior
I see why you think #1. Of course, Aiken could make a big frosh to soph leap and come back as more of a real PG.
The Princeton frosh are interesting. I wouldn't be at all surprised if one of them ends up starting right away. I'm just not sure who.
Finally, on the Penn lineup, I wonder what would have happened if Betley hadn't gotten hurt early. Lineup might have stabilized a lot sooner if they had him from the start.
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mrjames
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10-18-17 08:13 AM - Post#234122
In response to SomeGuy
The funny thing about Harvard's offense is that it doesn't really need a point guard, per se. The motion offense is all about having multiple people combine to try to break a defense down. What it does need is an end-of-shot-clock playmaker off a high PNR. Aiken was more efficient in that set than any other past Harvard point guard.
Harvard's puzzles to solve are going to come in how to handle a front court rotation and the best combinations to play sound team defense. While I might be a little pessimistic this year, I will say that I expect Harvard to have a huge 2018-19 and 2019-20.
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Tiger69
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10-18-17 12:13 PM - Post#234135
In response to mrjames
I agree. However, as Harvard develops, so does everyone else. I would make them my SLIGHT favorites this season,and strong favorites in 2018-2019. But, by 2019-20 anything could happen as other Ivies close the gaps with talented newcomers. Then, there are the unknowns -- key injuries, dropouts, personal tragedies -- that one can never predict. And, you can only put five men on the court at once. I recall 2012 when Harvard was easily the deepest in talent in the League. But, a lot of that talent simmered on the bench as a thinner squad of Tigers ultimately prevailed. 
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PennFan10
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10-18-17 02:53 PM - Post#234147
In response to Tiger69
personal tragedies? You know something T69?
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