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Username Post: Bison Recruits 2019        (Topic#20573)
KenZ 
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09-25-18 09:03 AM - Post#261575    
    In response to KenZ

not someone we recruited, but of interest, Miles Jones (Nate's brother) commits to play for their dad at Radford

https://www.roanoke.com/sports/high_schools/r adfor...

 
Bison89 
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09-25-18 11:03 AM - Post#261579    
    In response to KenZ

Since his father is the HC, is it fair to assume that his children get free tuition? So, there is really nothing for Radford to lose.
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!


 
NoMoney89 
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09-25-18 03:42 PM - Post#261595    
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  • Bison89 Said:
Since his father is the HC, is it fair to assume that his children get free tuition? So, there is really nothing for Radford to lose.


Not always the case as its usually a perk provided to employees/faculty after certain number of years of service. When I was actively seeking employment it was between 5-10yrs of service. So many coaches may not reach that threshold? obviously could be a negotiated perk in each individual contract. Also of note in the Higher Ed community there is a fair amount of reciprocity that goes on in this respect (i.e. would you want to be a professor or staff members kid on campus? many want to go further afield).

That said, I wonder if he would/could be considered a recruited walk-on and not count against scholarship counts.



 
jkrun80 
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09-25-18 04:25 PM - Post#261600    
    In response to NoMoney89

Radford is not in the national Tuition Exchange. Their tuition benefit may be limited (some are 50%) or non-existent. Bucknell is generous in that respect.

 
Bison137 
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09-25-18 08:27 PM - Post#261617    
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  • NoMoney89 Said:


That said, I wonder if he would/could be considered a recruited walk-on and not count against scholarship counts.






That is an interesting question. To begin, most tuition waivers etc are still considered financial aid by the NCAA's definition. Here are the general categories:

a) All funds administered by the institution, which include but are not limited to the following:

(1) Scholarships;
(2) Grants;
(3) Tuition waivers;
(4) Employee dependent tuition benefits, unless the parent or the legal guardian of a student-athlete has been employed as a full-time faculty/staff member for a minimum of five years; and
(5) Loans.

(b) Aid from government or private sources for which
the institution is responsible for selecting the recipient or determining the amount of aid, or
providing matching or supplementary funds for a
previously determined recipient.



So it appears that tuition benefits received by Jones - if he is receiving any - would not be considered any kind of special financial aid, since Coach Jones has been at Radford for eight years.

Secondly, the rules say that any athlete who is "recruited" for basketball becomes a counter if he receives any financial aid at all - even loans, tuition benefits, etc. But to be considered a "recruited" athlete, one must have either been offered a scholarship or taken an official visit or had an arranged off-campus visit with the coach. Given Miles Jones' status, probably none of those would apply. (There is a general exception in the rules as far as visits when a player is a close relation of the coach.)

So my guess is that he would not be a counter if he is receiving some sort of tuition benefit. BUT that only applies to tuition. If he is given room or board, I think his status would change to being a counter.




 
DoCtoR62 
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09-26-18 11:30 AM - Post#261626    
    In response to Bison137

Per its HR website, Radford does not appear to have a remission program for employee dependents. So, either dad is paying the bill or Miles must be considered a counter against the NCAA limit.

Earlier this summer, Radford advertised a graduate assistant position for the men's basketball program and was very clear that the position received a stipend but no tuition benefit. So, the University has a hard-line stance on tuition benefits.

 
KenZ 
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10-02-18 03:32 PM - Post#261772    
    In response to DoCtoR62

more wrapup record keeping

Beran to Northwestern

Dingle to Penn (how many shooting guards can you play at one time?)

 
Bison137 
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10-02-18 08:38 PM - Post#261779    
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It’s all about accumulating them and seeing who develops. Most schools can’t do that, but an Ivy can bring in six or more recruits every season and see what happens.




 
Mike Porter 
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10-02-18 09:26 PM - Post#261780    
    In response to Bison137

Hey guys - Penn Fan here who pops by from time to time (and also confused why we don’t play each other since I think it would be a fun game now that we are on the right path again).

While the core of what Bison137 is saying is true, it isn’t true that Ivy’s can recruit 6+ kids every year. I’m not on very latest but there is a 4 year cycle limit on number of recruited basketball players, which I believe is 20.

Regarding Dingle, he’s a recruit I’m pretty excited about, even more so now that a very well respected non Penn poster nychoops chimed in to sing his praises. He had a great EBYL season and not quite sure why he didn’t get more offers honestly, but better for Penn!

In terms of our 2019 class it was expected to be big, replacing 6 man class leaving and frankly we’re still just digging out of mess we were in from last Jerome Allen years. While we have 3 kids in the 6’3” to 6’5” range in this upcoming class they all bring something a bit different and definitely aren’t all SGs.

 
Bison137 
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10-02-18 09:55 PM - Post#261782    
    In response to Mike Porter

Thanks for the post. Interesting info. One thing I would add is that some Ivy League schools have recruited more than 20 players over four years cycle by having a few players with really good grades etc. apply as regular students. I know of a number of cases where that is happened.




 
Mike Porter 
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10-02-18 11:59 PM - Post#261784    
    In response to Bison137

I’m sure that totally could have happened over the years, but unlikely it does now. The AI is averaged, but only kids designated as recruited athletes count towards that as far as I understand it, so a team would lose the benefit of a high AI kid.

 
Bison89 
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10-03-18 10:03 AM - Post#261820    
    In response to Mike Porter

  • Mike Porter Said:
Hey guys - Penn Fan here who pops by from time to time (and also confused why we don’t play each other since I think it would be a fun game now that we are on the right path again).





Mike, Bucknell fans would love to have a game at the Palestra followed by a game the following year at Sojka. If you have any influence at Penn, please put in a good word.
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!


 
KenZ 
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10-09-18 11:06 AM - Post#262238    
    In response to Bison89

Watts to Brown

 
KenZ 
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10-09-18 11:09 AM - Post#262240    
    In response to KenZ

as for a Penn series, would love to see it. last thing i heard was a few years ago, probably prior coaching staffs at both schools, but Penn was not interested in a home and home series as they did not see any upside to coming to Lewisburg and have too many other options.

 
Mike Porter 
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10-10-18 01:18 AM - Post#262328    
    In response to KenZ

I’m just a fan with no sway whatsoever (and I live 3000 miles away), but I’d love to see a home and home.

Looks like we’ll have to settle for our teams scrimmaging this preseason as it is reported to be happening on Saturday. Not sure where, but maybe some folks on your side know? Would love to hear impressions after.

Cheers,
-Mike

 
nitlion 
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10-10-18 04:02 AM - Post#262330    
    In response to Mike Porter

NCAA closed scrimmage, might be tough to get any first hand comments.

 
BisonRoadWarrior 
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10-10-18 04:45 PM - Post#262371    
    In response to Mike Porter

  • Mike Porter Said:
Looks like we’ll have to settle for our teams scrimmaging this preseason as it is reported to be happening on Saturday. Not sure where, but maybe some folks on your side know?

At the Cathedral of College Basketball.


 
Bison137 
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10-13-18 08:10 PM - Post#262514    
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  • Bison137 Said:


- Acunzo , Mattia 6-8 SF (PA/Italy) BUCKNELL OFFER Jul-2018 ;  ODU, USF, American, Toledo, Youngstown State, Wright State, App State, UNCG, Lipscomb, Canisius, Stony Brook, etc.





  • KenZ Said:


final five for Acunzo:

Bucknell, South Florida, Old Dominion, Toledo, and Richmond






Acunzo opts for Toledo. His HS is in northwestern PA. The other finalists were USF and ODU.

I wonder if the Bison could have still been in the mix before they used the last scholarship. Probably not, since his game seems quite similar to that of Van der Heijden.




 
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