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Username Post: Early Season "Swing Games"        (Topic#20642)
IvyBballFan 
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11-07-17 07:40 PM - Post#235636    

If one combines amalgamated Pre-Season Rankings with game location, one can: a) get a sense of individual Ivy team records at the start of league play; and b) come up with a series of Ivy/non-con “swing” games to watch over the next three weeks.

The way that pre-season is scheduled, it looks as if Brown, Columbia, Cornell, and Dartmouth will be hard put to come out of the pre-season with more than four W’s each. The start for the Lions looks particularly brutal. The other four schools have a much better chance of heading into league play with winning records. However, it will be tough for any of them to get double digit wins. Without knowing four or five non-predictable matchups that will occur in pre-season tournaments, the Ivies will do well to enter league play with a combined .500 record.

The early-season games below should be tightly contested. The overall trend in these 12 games may give early hints as to how the individual teams, and the league as a whole will fare this year:
Penn@Fairfield (Sa 11-Nov)
Brown@Quinnipiac (M 13-Nov)
LaSalle@Penn (M 13-Nov)
BYU@Prin (W 15-Nov)
Yale@Albany (F 17-Nov)
Brown@St. Francis (NY) (Su 19-Nov)
Cornell@UMass Lowell (Su 19-Nov)
LIU@Brown (Sa 25-Nov)
Yale@Vermont (Sa 25-Nov)
Brown@Bryant (Su 26-Nov)
Loyola (MD)@Dartmouth (Tu 28-Nov)
Dartmouth@Sacred Heart (Tu 5-Dec)


 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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Early Season "Swing Games"
11-15-17 02:13 PM - Post#236404    
    In response to IvyBballFan

College Basketball Insider has a Mid Major Top 25 that is updated on Mondays. Currently, Harvard is #6, Princeton is #22, and Yale is #30 (in votes - it's a top 25 listing).

Big games in the next 10 days:

Tonight: BYU (#8) at Princeton
Thanksgiving: Harvard vs St. Marys (#2)

Vermont (#3) visits Yale on Nov. 25th and Harvard on Jan. 2nd. The entire Ivy League avoids Bucknell (#7) this season.

Not sure if this suggests that the Mid Majors are tough this year, but Indiana St. (#25) already beat Indiana by 21.

Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 11-15-17 02:18 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
TigerFan 
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11-18-17 09:11 PM - Post#236883    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Not the season some folks expected as presumed top 4 look pretty wobbly (but congratulations to the Quakers for today's big win over Penn State Brandywine--you should be very proud).

 
palestra38 
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11-18-17 09:41 PM - Post#236892    
    In response to TigerFan

Mandatory game for those in Gulf Coast Classic (all the competitors in Estero had to play a Div 3 game at home for 1st round--don't know why but they did). But thanks anyway. And congrats on a hard fought 13 point loss to Joe's.

 
Silver Maple 
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11-18-17 10:52 PM - Post#236903    
    In response to palestra38

Turnabout is fair play. We've certainly heaped abuse and derision on Princeton fans every year for their pathetic annual post-exams DIII tumble. They're allowed to repay us in kind.

 
palestra38 
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11-18-17 11:23 PM - Post#236906    
    In response to Silver Maple

They schedule one...and lost to Carnegie Mellon. We accepted the requirement that we play these guys to play the prestigious Gulf Coast "Classic"

 
Silver Maple 
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11-19-17 09:15 AM - Post#236917    
    In response to palestra38

True, but show some compassion. They're Princeton fans. No Penn fan can possibly understand the constant shame and humiliation that goes with that.

 
Tiger69 
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11-19-17 12:45 PM - Post#236944    
    In response to Silver Maple

Still have that chip on your shoulder! Do tell us how t got there.

 
Silver Maple 
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11-19-17 10:28 PM - Post#236969    
    In response to Tiger69

Pete Carril once bit my dog. It was horrible.

 
palestra38 
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11-20-17 11:58 AM - Post#237004    
    In response to Silver Maple

What a terrible weekend for Ivy teams. Columbia and Yale lose to Penn State and Albany Friday, Harvard and Princeton lose to Manhattan and St Joe's Saturday, and Brown and Cornell lose to St Francis Bklyn and UMass-Lowell on Sunday.

Thankfully, Penn and Yale beat up on non-Division 1 teams as well.

 
Silver Maple 
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11-20-17 01:12 PM - Post#237023    
    In response to palestra38

If all we can point to for accomplishments is hammering a couple of D3 opponents, that's nothing to brag about. But no snarky comments about Princeton and St. Joes, or there might be some retorts involving chips and shoulders.

 
Tiger69 
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11-21-17 12:42 PM - Post#237211    
    In response to Silver Maple

Pete must have bit him really hard! Get a cat.

 
yoyo 
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11-21-17 02:52 PM - Post#237228    
    In response to Tiger69

you talking to yourself again?

 
Tiger69 
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11-21-17 03:11 PM - Post#237229    
    In response to yoyo

Just some good-natured exchanges with my Pennfriend and fellow Jerseyite SM. You can ignore us

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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11-25-17 06:08 PM - Post#237589    
    In response to Tiger69

As an opponent of the Tournament, things looking pretty weak for right now.

1. Big gap between #4 Penn (KP#149) and #5 Columbia (KP#195);
2. Second bid already an impossibility;
3. Four teams ranked KP#114 to KP#149 will struggle through the season, hoping not to lose a spot in the tournament;
4. Projected #4 seed gets home court advantage;
5. Possible multi team title chase over the last two weekends is largely irrelevant; and
6. Actually, next 100 days largely irrelevant.

Good luck to the healthiest/luckiest team March 10-11.


 
SomeGuy 
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11-26-17 08:02 AM - Post#237909    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

On the kenpom gap from 4 to 5, we had the same thing last year, and we still got a great race for the last spot.

Presuming for a moment that HYP are really as close as they appear in kenpom, to me the added games to determine who goes to the NCAAs seems like a good thing, or at least not a a bad thing. Why not determine the winner over 16 instead of 14?

I do agree that there is some unfairness in the venue, particularly if Penn is 4th but close. That said, while I am obviously biased, I thought it was a very fun event last year, and a good showcase for the league (and its best venue).

 
westphillywarrior 
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11-26-17 12:25 PM - Post#237945    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

  • HARVARDDADGRAD Said:
As an opponent of the Tournament, things looking pretty weak for right now.

1. Big gap between #4 Penn (KP#149) and #5 Columbia (KP#195);
2. Second bid already an impossibility;
3. Four teams ranked KP#114 to KP#149 will struggle through the season, hoping not to lose a spot in the tournament;
4. Projected #4 seed gets home court advantage;
5. Possible multi team title chase over the last two weekends is largely irrelevant; and
6. Actually, next 100 days largely irrelevant.

Good luck to the healthiest/luckiest team March 10-11.




That about says it all. Very sad. We'll see you at the Palestra
March 10-11.


 
westphillywarrior 
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11-26-17 12:28 PM - Post#237947    
    In response to SomeGuy

"Why not determine the winner over 16 instead of 14?"

That's a pretty funny line.
Don't you mean "Why not determine the winner over 2 instead of 14?"

 
Tiger69 
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11-26-17 01:04 PM - Post#237949    
    In response to westphillywarrior

I reacted the same way. Then, it occurred to me that, if the race were close, then perhaps a tournament could be tacked on for any teams finishing within, say, a couple of games of first place, truly extending the season 2-4 games, and giving the close also-rans a chance to overtake the regular season champ. Of course, regular season record would have to be given equal weight for this to be justified IMHO.

Just hypothetical. I'm afraid that nothing will change the current, stupid circus. All college sports, like politics, seem to be drifting toward hype and money.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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11-26-17 03:49 PM - Post#237958    
    In response to Tiger69

Why extend anything?

A 14 game round robin tournament worked very well for decades. If you can't beat your brethren over 100 days, why should you get another try?

Sure, the recent regular season ties resulted in exciting tie breakers. But does that mean we should create a faux tie situation by ignoring the regular season?

In a multi-bid league, a tournament can work to your advantage. In a single bid league, it highlights and exposes our mediocrity. If you think the Ivy League is not mediocre, then why are we without a top 100 team?



 
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