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Username Post: Early Season "Swing Games"        (Topic#20642)
Tiger69 
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11-26-17 08:03 PM - Post#237988    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

No argument. You're preachin' to the Choir. I was merely giving a charitable interpretation to Some Guy's post about determining a champ over 16 games.

 
bradley 
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11-26-17 09:33 PM - Post#237997    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Fortunately, it is very early in the season and perhaps, several of the IL teams will perform better as the non-conference season continues on. Brown, Cornell and possibly Penn will get better over time which will be a plus for the league. Harvard may also go off on a good winning streak and try to get a bid irregardless of the IL Tournament, unlikely but you never know. At the end of the day, the major excitement for the IL regular season will probably be which team finishes fourth like last year.

It makes sense for a good to very good IL team to play a very competitive non-conference schedule in order to secure an invitation without winning the IL Tournament and hope that the other IL teams play competitively in non-conference action. The other play by a coach might be to simply develop your team during non-conference play in order to peak for the March weekend and be less concerned about non-conference wins/losses.

Legitimate questions regarding the IL Tournament would become somewhat muted if the league improves enough to truly have two representatives.

 
SomeGuy 
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11-26-17 10:11 PM - Post#238000    
    In response to westphillywarrior

To me, it is over 16. if you are within a game or two, it very well could be that a 2nd place regular season team that wins the tourney will end up with the best conference record after 16.

 
SomeGuy 
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11-26-17 10:14 PM - Post#238001    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Is it really a fair advantage when we were literally the only league in the country choosing our representative without a tournament?

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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Early Season "Swing Games"
12-03-17 11:13 AM - Post#238886    
    In response to SomeGuy

I don't know if it's been discussed much, but school academic calendars were reputedly a major influence on last year's tournament. For example, I know that Harvard players apparently pulled all nighters for midterms and papers before boarding the bus from Boston to Philly. Penn had the week off to practice on the home court. I knew more about Princeton and Yale then.

Looking to this year:

Harvard, Yale, Columbia: midterms likely (Harvard definitely) right up to the tournament weekend, which is at the start of spring break

Penn: week off (spring break) heading into the tournament; midterms completed over a week prior to tip off.

Dartmouth: Final exams (not midterms) start Friday and end Monday, tournament most inconvenient - right in the middle.

Princeton: midterm week follows the tournament

Brown, Cornell: uncertain, appears midterms are likely two weeks after tournament (could start week following)

Please feel free to update with info. Thus:

Advantage:
1) Penn
2) Brown, Cornell

Disadvantage:
1) Dartmouth
2) Harvard, Yale, Columbia
3) Princeton

Bias acknowledged, but the Ivy League couldn't have tipped the scales more if it tried. Schools with exams have to travel the furthest (Dartmouth, Harvard), while the only school with a week off plays at home.

Good Job.

Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 12-03-17 11:14 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Silver Maple 
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12-03-17 12:36 PM - Post#238895    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Just keep reminding yourself of what the Ivy Tournament is, and what it is not.

- The Ivy tournament is an entertainment product. It appears to have been created to increase visibility for the conference, give the players and fans a few more games to enjoy, and maybe make a bit of money (although that's probably a fantasy).

- The Ivy tournament has nothing to do with "fairness" (whatever that even is) or with identifying the best team(s) to represent the league in post season play.

If you keep those two points in mind, all of this makes sense.

 
SRP 
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12-03-17 12:58 PM - Post#238897    
    In response to Silver Maple

Fairness is central to the entertainment value.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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12-03-17 01:01 PM - Post#238898    
    In response to SRP

Fair enough - or not

 
Silver Maple 
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12-03-17 01:13 PM - Post#238899    
    In response to SRP

  • SRP Said:
Fairness is central to the entertainment value.



You could actually make a pretty convincing argument for the contrary. The lack of fairness (or, if you prefer, arbitrariness) gives fans a lot to argue and gripe about. And we all know how much sports fans enjoy bickering and kvetching.

 
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