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Username Post: Butler        (Topic#20643)
TigerFan 
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11-12-17 07:36 PM - Post#236038    
    In response to TigerFan

Morales has blown 2 fast breaks now.

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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1LotteryPick1969
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Re: Butler
11-12-17 07:37 PM - Post#236039    
    In response to gokinsmen

Stephens.....what is his ceiling??

Nice to see Brennan hit those two 3's.

 
TigerFan 
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11-12-17 07:42 PM - Post#236041    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

Really tough place to play but Tigers hanging in nicely.

 
gokinsmen 
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11-12-17 07:44 PM - Post#236042    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

Butler bouncing in 3s and getting Princeton buckets waved off by homer refs. And they're still hanging in there. I like what I see even if we're going to come up short.

I don't see any reason to start the freshmen going forward. Ease them in. Stephens, Bell and Cannady will take care of the buckets. Just need solid fundamentals from our starting bigs.

 
jeromelh 
Freshman
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11-12-17 07:48 PM - Post#236043    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

This team is going to be really good come Ivy League schedule

 
TigerFan 
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Butler
11-12-17 07:49 PM - Post#236044    
    In response to TigerFan

Morales with another big mistake. Bad turnover that leads to an easy 2 for Butler.

Edited by TigerFan on 11-12-17 07:50 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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11-12-17 08:00 PM - Post#236046    
    In response to TigerFan

Still trouble with those big bodies inside.

 
TigerFan 
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11-12-17 08:04 PM - Post#236047    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

Offense looked great tonight. Defense needs a lot of work. All in all though I'm encouraged.

 
gokinsmen 
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Butler
11-12-17 08:06 PM - Post#236048    
    In response to TigerFan

Simply put, starting the freshmen cost us the game. Awful homer reffing taking away 3 clear buckets clinched it. We're very soft at the rim, but that's mostly an inherent weakness with this roster.

Overall, an encouraging if annoying season opener. Brennan and/or LeBlanc need to start. At least they know what they're doing out there.

Morales made some bad mistakes, but I like his energy. Sure he blew two fastbreaks, but he's the one who created them with his steals. My problem with Desrosiers and Much is that they were invisible...played scared as freshmen do.

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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11-12-17 08:13 PM - Post#236049    
    In response to TigerFan

Still trouble with those big bodies inside.

 
THOS 
Freshman
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Reg: 01-14-07
11-12-17 08:15 PM - Post#236050    
    In response to gokinsmen

Not a bad effort overall, against a good team on their home court minus our starting center (Gladson). I did see him on the bench (no crutches or cast).So hopefully he will be back soon. Much is not a center.

I agree Brennan should have played more, especially in the second half. Stephens is a beast and he will carry the team along with Bell and Cannady. If Morales can get himself under control, he will be a factor off the bench.

 
THOS 
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11-12-17 08:25 PM - Post#236052    
    In response to THOS

I wanted this to be a seperate post. The officials were terrible.

 
umbrellaman 
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umbrellaman
Reg: 11-21-04
11-12-17 08:34 PM - Post#236054    
    In response to THOS

Yes, the refs stunk.

 
umbrellaman 
Senior
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umbrellaman
Reg: 11-21-04
Re: Butler
11-12-17 08:37 PM - Post#236056    
    In response to gokinsmen

Hard to gauge Much and Derosiers in a very tough first game, but there is the Princeton tradition of starting very heralded freshmen and bringing the more experienced player in later who will actually get more of the minutes, with the freshman building minutes as the season goes on.

 
Tiger69 
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11-12-17 09:46 PM - Post#236063    
    In response to umbrellaman

I was unable to listen to the second half. But, it seemed to me that we left a lot of points at the free through line in the first half. With decent FT shooting it would have been a tight game at halftime even with the previously mentioned homer reffing. Do we get this team in Jadwin next year?

 
bradley 
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11-13-17 12:33 AM - Post#236071    
    In response to THOS

Impressions — Vegas had 9 1/2 spread on game number one. How do they do it? Typical Princeton game against a good, not great non-conference home opponent — close but no cigar. As usual, Tigers demonstrate no quit spirit but cannot close. Assuming no injuries to the big 3, they should compete. Agree that Mitch should play big guys against good and big non-conference opponents but he does not. Freshmen and underclassmen are just that with rare exceptions. Finally, Ivies may not be as strong as some thought based on early returns.

 
Petrie 
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Reg: 11-14-16
11-13-17 12:53 AM - Post#236072    
    In response to Tiger69

Like everyone else on this board, I'm encouraged. I was one saying we needed big contributions from freshmen to be good. I thought tonight Princeton was very good, while getting nothing from freshmen. Amir Bell looked better than I've ever seen him, likewise Myles Stephens. Cannady good as usual.

I thought the blown goal tending call was pivotal - would've been 1 pt deficit, ensuing Butler score made it 5 pts, and I believe the lead only widened from there in the first half. In the second half the Morales turnover with about 5 min to go, down 5, poised to make it a one possession game, was absolute killer. The 3 pt play leading directly from the crazy pass made it 8 down.

Still you have to believe that Princeton will get much, much more from the freshmen class - they all looked the part. Obviously Henderson is a believer. By the time they get through this tough non-conference I think they'll be ready to be very significant contributors. And then there's Gladson.

All in all, plenty of reasons to be excited about the season. Beat st Joe's.

 
Mike Porter 
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Butler
11-13-17 02:25 AM - Post#236073    
    In response to Petrie

From a Penn fan's perspective from for what it's worth, I think this Princeton team will be very good (best top 3 in league with Yale injuries and was prob a toss up before Yale injuries).

Obviously defense was not up to last year's standard, but watching the game I thought with that offense, overall they looked better against Butler than they did opening the year last year against teams like BYU (not as good as this Butler team will be).

Bell looks ready to fulfill the potential he has shown and Stephens looks like an IVY POY candidate.

 
SRP 
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11-13-17 05:09 AM - Post#236074    
    In response to Mike Porter

Pretty much what I expected and feared. No trouble finding good shots, especially the Big Three, even against a team that emphasizes defense. (Exceptional three-point shooting by the Tigers papered over excessive TOs and missed FTs.) But the defense just wasn't there inside, with Bell and Cannady getting driven past with regularity and not much help sliding over in time. Miller, Cook, and Weisz definitely missed on D. At least they cut off Butler's ORs and loose-ball dominance in the second half for the most part.

The defense took a while to gel last season, and they got a lot better at staying connected on drives as the year wore on, so I wouldn't write their defense off, but they need to have some rim protection in there more. I also agreed with commentator Gillen that more zone would have been advisable, but then I'm a bit more pro-zone than most.

Schweger was a pleasant surprise, and looked the most solid of the freshmen to me. Derosier was passive on offense but had some promising defensive possessions. Much looked a bit overwhelmed, but his angry reaction on getting back to the bench after his turnover and foul actually looked promising; I suspect he's going to develop nicely--don't know if I like him in the post, but they might not have a lot of options there.

And let me echo comments about the horrible refereeing bias in that game. Butler collected a lot of early fouls, but so did the Tigers, and Princeton was outright robbed of six points on the goaltending and two charging calls. But, hey, that's why you have to tape your ankles when you play in a venue like that.

 
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