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picknroll 
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11-10-17 05:02 PM - Post#235837    

Ouch.

From the Valley News
http://www.vnews.com/Dartmouth-men-s-baske tball-st...

 
GoBigGreenBasketball 
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11-11-17 02:56 AM - Post#235893    
    In response to picknroll

This is terrible news. We lose are best player.
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rbg 
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11-13-17 09:36 AM - Post#236081    
    In response to GoBigGreenBasketball

Some quotes from Coach McLaughlin after the Quinnipiac loss on Saturday.

http://www.vnews.com/Dartmouth-men-s-baske tball-at...

-- The Big Green, 7-20 overall and 4-10 in the Ivies last season, was picked to finish seventh in the Ancient Eight during a preseason poll of league media. That was for a team including Boudreaux, whose egression McLaughlin said he did not see coming.

“We had a brief discussion Wednesday, and I wished him luck,” said the second-year coach. “He didn’t want to be part of this process, and we don’t want people who don’t want to be here. I’m not going to try talk guys out of it.”

Any idea why Boudreaux, who denied to the Valley News midway through last winter that he was considering such an exit, would pull the ripcord so suddenly and days before the season opener?

“I’m not in his head,” McLaughlin said. “He made his own decision in his own best interests.”

What was your reaction to the news?

“All my effort immediately turned to the guys who want to be part of this team,” McLaughlin responded. “I coach everyone very hard and with a lot of passion. When someone doesn’t want to be part of that work process, it hurts and it’s surprising, because you pour your heart into what goes on.” --

McLaughlin was interviewed during halftime of the women's game against Boston College yesterday and was asked about the situation. Like the Friday Valley News article, the coach did not mention Boudreaux by name or his leaving the program. He emphasized playing with guys who want to be here, play together, compete together and be about each other.

 
penn nation 
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11-13-17 05:12 PM - Post#236143    
    In response to rbg

"That was for a team including Boudreaux, whose egression McLaughlin said he did not see coming."

Wow. I've seen the word 'egress' before ("to the egress, ladies and gentlemen"), but never, ever in that form.

Didn't see that one coming, either.

Edited by penn nation on 11-13-17 05:12 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
flinder 
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11-14-17 10:20 AM - Post#236257    
    In response to penn nation

Didn't Boudreaux's family force Cormier out? Kind of a kick in the shins to get the coach changed and then leave the team just a season later, on the eve of their opener? I've heard that the final straw might have been that he wasn't elected captain this year; he wasn't hanging out with the team at all in the first place.

 
SomeDartmouthStudent 
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11-14-17 03:01 PM - Post#236285    
    In response to flinder

Ouch indeed. As much as I don't like what this does to the program I cant blame the kid.

Anyway- Looks like an 8th place finish for us since Brown just managed to beat Quinnipiac.

@flinder-
Do you have inside information? Both of those would be shockers for me/ how do you know he wasn't hanging out with the team?

I've been on campus with these guys since the start of the fall semester and that doesnt seem to be the case.

 
flinder 
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11-14-17 10:14 PM - Post#236346    
    In response to SomeDartmouthStudent

I have it from a source who knows people on the team but isn't necessarily privy to the day-to-day goings on of the team, so that person might just have an impression instead of a firm knowledge of everything going on. But the source has been an observer of Big Green basketball for years now, so I feel like their impressions aren't worth _nothing_. Obviously, it can't change the situation moving forward, and that's what Dartmouth's got to do. I wonder how it affects their recruiting.

 
SomeDartmouthStudent 
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11-15-17 12:09 AM - Post#236358    
    In response to flinder

Got it!

I'm sure that there is a bunch of stuff floating around right now. I don't think too many people were in the know for this move. I certainly wasn't.

I'd have to imagine that this sets recruiting back a good amount.It reflects poorly on Mclaughlin to not be able to keep talent within the program. Especially a kid who was arguably a generational talent for Dartmouth.

 
Joe.Yemly 
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11-15-17 05:51 PM - Post#236444    
    In response to SomeDartmouthStudent

I was quite certain he'd graduate in 3 years, a la Mitola. However, I didn't think he'd forego his junior season to do it. Especially that late into the preseason.

Did he play in the preseason scrimmages? If he did, that would rule him ineligible for a bit of his 3rd season, right?


 
SomeDartmouthStudent 
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12-06-17 01:53 AM - Post#239190    
    In response to Joe.Yemly

I think he played in a few scrimmages, but its irrelevant this year as the rule has been changed.

 
hoops123 
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12-06-17 02:27 AM - Post#239193    
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PS, just a wild guess from deep left field, but I imagine a kid smart enough to graduate from Dartmouth in 3 years is smart enough to check NCAA eligibility rules before he makes a major decision to leave a program.....

 
Joe.Yemly 
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12-07-17 05:49 PM - Post#239564    
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Ha, I certainly wasn't asserting that he hadn't looked into the rules. Just wonder if maybe he played in the scrimmages and realized this team was going nowhere with or without him. At the end of the day, I'm sure he'd be fine missing 1/3 of a season over playing a full season here. But if above Sad, but probably true.

Good luck to him, he'll help someone.

 
Joe.Yemly 
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12-11-17 03:44 PM - Post#239976    
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Headed to Xavier.

https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/94 029748963...

 
SRP 
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12-11-17 08:17 PM - Post#239998    
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Will Bluitt graduate this year? Seems like he's been at Xavier for a decade, but it would probably be cool for Boudreaux to play with him.

 
20Penn14 
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03-27-18 05:42 PM - Post#254419    
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Decommitted from Xavier
Jeff Good man
@GoodmanESPN
Xavier commit Evan Boudreaux, who averaged 17.5 points and 9.5 boards last season, told ESPN he will re-open his recruitment. Grad transfer with two years remaining.

 
weinhauers_ghost 
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03-27-18 08:02 PM - Post#254427    
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  • 20Penn14 Said:
Decommitted from Xavier
Jeff Good man
@GoodmanESPN
Xavier commit Evan Boudreaux, who averaged 17.5 points and 9.5 boards last season, told ESPN he will re-open his recruitment. Grad transfer with two years remaining.



Probably because Xavier's coach just resigned to take the Louisville job.

 
somedartmouthstudent2 
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03-27-18 09:53 PM - Post#254430    
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Doubt there is much to see here, pretty standard practice with a head coach leaving. I'm guessing its more probable than not he stays at Xavier unless they go with a particularly uninspiring choice.

 
PennFan10 
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03-28-18 11:17 AM - Post#254457    
    In response to somedartmouthstudent2

It's standard for a recruit to have the option to open his recruitment, it's not as standard to stay at the university you committed to. EB presumably wants to play in the NCAA tournament and Mack was a big part of that with Xavier. It's tough to go through a coaching change (Which EB just did at Dartmouth). I think it highly likely he picks another school. I wouldn't be surprised to see him join Mack at Louisville.



 
GoBigGreenBasketball 
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03-29-18 12:02 AM - Post#254503    
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Didn't Purdue want him?
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rbg 
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03-29-18 08:46 AM - Post#254507    
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https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/blogs/na than...

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/colle...

 
20Penn14 
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03-29-18 03:17 PM - Post#254525    
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Committed to Purdue

https://twitter.com/EBoudreaux12/status/9 794332251...

 
palestra38 
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03-30-18 11:49 AM - Post#254574    
    In response to 20Penn14

That's a good situation for him.

 
mbaprof 
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03-31-18 04:43 PM - Post#254627    
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I was told by a family member that he intends to study for an MBA with his two years of eligibility, Purdue is a ranked program, X is nowhere


 
T.P.F.K.A.D.W. 
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04-02-18 02:29 PM - Post#254663    
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Does he have to sit out a year?

 
Silver Maple 
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04-02-18 03:21 PM - Post#254664    
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I doubt it. He already did that this past season at Dartmouth.

I wonder if he regrets his decision to go to Dartmouth in the first place?

 
SRP 
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04-02-18 07:14 PM - Post#254672    
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I know some folks on the Purdue management faculty. Maybe one of them will have the best scorer/rebounder in the MBA class in his or her section.

 
PennFan10 
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04-02-18 07:47 PM - Post#254674    
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He will not have to sit. Graduate transfers are eligible immediately. His mom is an AA from Dartmouth and is on the BOT I believe. I doubt he regrets the decision and he likely planned all along to graduate early.

 
Go Green 
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04-02-18 08:21 PM - Post#254675    
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  • PennFan10 Said:
and he likely planned all along to graduate early



If so, announcing his departure the day before the season opener was a pretty crappy move. Would have been better for all involved if he left the team after the previous season ended.

 
Silver Maple 
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04-02-18 09:06 PM - Post#254677    
    In response to Go Green

I find it farfetched that this was his evil plan all along. It seems far more likely that he expected the team to be much more competitive than it turned out to be. Once he finally (and probably reluctantly) accepted the fact that there was very little chance he would ever see the postseason as a Dartmouth player, he quickly decided to hang onto two years of eligibility and take his talents to West Lafayette.

 
PennFan10 
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04-02-18 11:47 PM - Post#254680    
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Oh I don’t think he planned on two years but he quite likely planned on one as a post grad. He was on track to graduate after 3 years. He couldn’t play as a graduate at Dartmouth so he clearly had intentions of a 4th yr elsewhere. I think not being voted captain by his teammates and then the coaches not over ruling that decision led him to go for the 2nd yr suddenly.

 
Go Green 
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04-03-18 09:01 AM - Post#254698    
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  • PennFan10 Said:
I think not being voted captain by his teammates and then the coaches not over ruling that decision led him to go for the 2nd yr suddenly.



You could very well be correct that such is the way things went down.

But in my opinion, that really doesn't make him look much better...

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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04-03-18 09:21 AM - Post#254702    
    In response to Go Green

Totality of Circumstances?
- not recognized by teammates (captaincy)
- not recognized by league (1st team all Ivy)
- coach who recruited you fired
- season prospects dim (although as it turns out Dartmouth really had a chance to finish 4th)

Certainly graduating in 3 years and transferring for a single graduate season would be completely justified and understandable (e.g., Mitola). Under the above listed circumstances, maybe the reason for the late decision was due to his loyalty to Dartmouth which could have made the decision tougher. Note that 9 Pitt players sought permission to transfer within days after Stallings was canned.

Boudreaux might deserve some credit here.



 
Go Green 
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04-03-18 09:27 AM - Post#254704    
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  • HARVARDDADGRAD Said:
Totality of Circumstances?
- not recognized by teammates (captaincy)
- not recognized by league (1st team all Ivy)
- coach who recruited you fired
- season prospects dim (although as it turns out Dartmouth really had a chance to finish 4th)






The last three either already happened or were foreseeable last April. The only "new" circumstance was the captaincy.

Maybe you think its fine to bail because you weren't elected captain. I don't.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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04-03-18 11:07 AM - Post#254713    
    In response to Go Green

Maybe I didn't communicate well. I think we're on the same side. I see Evan disappointed at the coaching change and the team's and his prospects. He shows up, practices, and tries to work through his disappointment. Maybe his disappointment is validated by the practices/coaching, and the final insult is that he's rewarded for trying by not being voted captain - likely the straw that breaks the camels back. Maybe, like Tony Hicks of Penn, the new coach is at the same time attempting to redirect the team's approach in a way that doesn't suit him as well.

That's why I suggested a "totality of the circumstances' that snowballed. That would explain timing that appears to be 'disloyal' when in reality it could have been the result of Evan's bending over backwards to hang in there.

 
Go Green 
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04-03-18 12:12 PM - Post#254724    
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Gotcha. Seems like you gave a more detailed version of what PennFan10 said.

Again, my opinion is that once you show up for training camp, you're there. If you're thinking about walking away, then the decision whether or not to do so should be made prior to that time.

Even assuming he was genuinely undecided and the captain thing was the proverbial tipping point, he comes across as petulant.

 
somedartmouthstudent2 
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04-03-18 08:42 PM - Post#254750    
    In response to Go Green

I get providing context around his final destination, but why are we still discussing this. It makes OUR fanbase look childish. Let go, he fulfilled his end of the bargain Boudreaux is graduating from our school. IMO he doesn't owe us anything.

 
Go Green 
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04-04-18 08:49 AM - Post#254759    
    In response to somedartmouthstudent2

  • somedartmouthstudent2 Said:
It makes OUR fanbase look childish.



You'll have to forgive us for actually caring about the program. Not sure what type of fan bases would feel differently...

Look, if he announced his decision to leave immediately after last season, people would have been bummed, but would have been fine with it. It would have given McLaughlin and the coaches a fighting chance to find a replacement. Even if that didn't materialize, they could have planned for an Evan-less team over the summer. All those reps they ran with him being the focal point in training camp? Someone else would have gotten the work. Maybe Knight gets more time with the first-team and develops faster.

By going through training camp and announcing the day before the season opener, he really screwed the team. Short of actually trashing the program in public, I can't imagine a worse way to leave than what he did.

If there were exceptional circumstances, people would understand. If a family member became ill in the Fall and he wanted to transfer to a program nearer to home, then fine. If he just decided that his heart wasn't in it and he wanted to give up college basketball to focus on studies, then fine. But neither appear to be the case here.

In sum, not all decisions to leave the program are created equal. Some are better taken than others.

Edited by Go Green on 04-04-18 08:51 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
PennFan10 
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04-04-18 11:15 AM - Post#254765    
    In response to Go Green

I think he was planning on leaving after year 3, thus the graduation track for this May. He clearly had lingering frustrations (coaching change, all league snub, non competitive program, etc) and the captain decision resulted in a knee jerk reaction to sit out the year and then transfer.

while I agree with Go Green, you start practice and you are committed and don’t quit, situations like Tony Hicks happen, where he planned to play and was told he should consider transferring.

 
Joe.Yemly 
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04-04-18 02:05 PM - Post#254786    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

  • HARVARDDADGRAD Said:
I see Evan disappointed at the coaching change



If you don't think the Boudreaux's had at least a say in the firing of coach Cormier, then I'm a Nigerian prince and I'd like to wire you some money.

 
Silver Maple 
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04-04-18 02:52 PM - Post#254789    
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Perhaps he approved of the firing of Cormier but didn't appreciate his replacement?

 
somedartmouthstudent2 
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Re: Boudreaux transferring
04-05-18 12:17 AM - Post#254812    
    In response to Go Green

I think judging the decision making process of a 19/20 year old without knowing any of the details is an exercise in futility. Condemning said player for acting in self interest is also fairly petty.

Call it what you may, but you can be a Dartmouth fan and still support what Boudreaux did. I know I'm excited to follow him as he plays in an infinitely better conference.

Its like beating a dead horse at this point. Move on.

 
PennFan10 
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04-05-18 12:25 AM - Post#254813    
    In response to somedartmouthstudent2

we actually know a lot of the details. But point taken, it’s time to move on.....

 
Go Green 
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Re: Boudreaux transferring
04-05-18 06:09 AM - Post#254814    
    In response to somedartmouthstudent2

  • somedartmouthstudent2 Said:


Call it what you may, but you can be a Dartmouth fan and still support what Boudreaux did. I know I'm excited to follow him as he plays in an infinitely better conference.





No disrespect, but I think you may be in the minority here.

Imagine Tracey McSorley arriving in camp, taking all the first-team reps, and then announcing the day before the opener that he is going to sit out the season and take a graduate transfer. I can't imagine that going over well in Happy Valley...

That's pretty much what happened here.

 
somedartmouthstudent2 
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04-05-18 10:18 AM - Post#254822    
    In response to PennFan10

Do you though? As far as I know neither Boudreaux or any of the coaches have come out and spoken about it. It is literally all conjecture. As someone who worked with the team it is mind blowing we are having this conversation a full year later.


I get your perspective, but I also think you greatly overestimate how many people care about Dartmouth hoops.

 
Go Green 
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04-05-18 11:00 AM - Post#254824    
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  • somedartmouthstudent2 Said:
As someone who worked with the team it is mind blowing we are having this conversation a full year later.



This is kind of my point.

If it was a full year later, we wouldn't be discussing it. Had Bourdreaux left in April 2017, people would have been bummed, but understanding.

But it hasn't been a full year, has it? He left the day before the 2017-18 season opener.

Big difference.

 
jadwinjungle 
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04-05-18 11:17 AM - Post#254825    
    In response to Go Green

Do we know for sure that he literally decided the day before the season started? It seems to me that the day before the opener has traditionally been the day Ivy teams wait to drop some of their big news. This year alone, along with Boudreaux's transfer news, Yale announced Bruner and Mason were out indefinitely the day before the season opener. In previous years things like Hans Brase's injury, and Siyani Chambers' injury weren't announced until very close to the season opener. I doubt they literally just found out the day before, but they probably waited to announce for some reason. Is it possible that Boudreaux and the coaching staff simply waited until the day before the opener to make the announcement, but the decision was made before that?

 
mrjames 
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04-05-18 12:09 PM - Post#254829    
    In response to jadwinjungle

All of that news happened right before the season started. The Yale injuries were during the scrimmage timeframe, so the news was held a week or so before getting out there. The Evan stuff happened right before the season as well - though again, maybe there was a bit of a delay in the news getting out.

Neither happened, say, over the summer and was held until the fall or anything like that...

 
Go Green 
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04-05-18 02:20 PM - Post#254846    
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  • jadwinjungle Said:
Do we know for sure that he literally decided the day before the season started?



Fair enough.

That being said, he was in the team photo-which usually gets taken pretty close to the start of the season. They either re-took the photo or digitally edited him out of it.

 
PennFan10 
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04-05-18 09:41 PM - Post#254856    
    In response to somedartmouthstudent2

  • somedartmouthstudent2 Said:
Do you though? As far as I know neither Boudreaux or any of the coaches have come out and spoken about it. It is literally all conjecture. As someone who worked with the team it is mind blowing we are having this conversation a full year later.


I get your perspective, but I also think you greatly overestimate how many people care about Dartmouth hoops.



While I have never spoken to Evan personally, my posts on this are not conjecture but based on what I consider to be very reliable sources. I stand by my comments


 
somedartmouthstudent2 
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04-05-18 11:30 PM - Post#254858    
    In response to PennFan10

Well, I'll just say consider the perspective of your sources. I've been around the team for almost 4 years now and almost all of it is conjecture.

 
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