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BisonRoadWarrior 
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11-11-17 10:22 PM - Post#235956    

Bucknell's preview
http://www.bucknellbison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_O...

 
BisonRoadWarrior 
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11-12-17 09:12 AM - Post#235970    
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Pretty good story in an Arkansas newspaper
http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/arkansas-goes-ba...

 
BisonRoadWarrior 
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11-12-17 09:17 AM - Post#235972    
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Jon Rothstein on Twitter:
"Fascinating contrast of styles tonight at Bud Walton Arena between Arkansas and Bucknell. Bison have a HM 4-5. Can they handle the press?"

I'm guessing "HM" = high major?

 
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11-12-17 10:47 AM - Post#235981    
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I'm not too excited for this game because I just don't feel like the team is ready for it. I'm unsettled because Nate Jones started and that reveals that whatever is going on, discipline, "injuries" whatever reveals we are not starting the season ready and you don't beat a team like Arkansas playing like you hit a wall. Its catch up time for the next half dozen or so games. Bucknell is a great team but why hamper themselves internally? I remember the Buffalo Bills finally made the super bowl and their star running back Thurman Thomas didn't start or play the first few plays because he couldn't find his helmet on the sidelines. It feels like its the same thing here going on. I don't feel like they are 100 percent ready. Maybe tonight they prove me wrong and I hope they do. Somethings off.

 
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Re: Arkansas Game
11-12-17 11:05 AM - Post#235983    
    In response to BisonRoadWarrior

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
Jon Rothstein on Twitter:
"Fascinating contrast of styles tonight at Bud Walton Arena between Arkansas and Bucknell. Bison have a HM 4-5. Can they handle the press?"

I'm guessing "HM" = high major?



Yep. That would be my guess, as well.

EDIT: Unless Zach and Nana are secretly Brits.


Edited by res on 11-12-17 11:08 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
HuskyColonial 
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11-12-17 11:09 AM - Post#235984    
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Hahahahaha! If Brown were two inches taller he’d be a HM too.

Edited by HuskyColonial on 11-12-17 11:15 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Bison7882 
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11-12-17 06:44 PM - Post#236018    
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I'm all for challenging the team with its OOC schedule but there's a difference between a challenging schedule and an overwhelming one. We may win the PL this year but hopefully we won't wind up with a 16 seed or play-in game due to our record. We won't get much credit from a lot of losses in the OOC.

 
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11-12-17 06:45 PM - Post#236019    
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Can’t watch the game, just live stats. Seems like poor shooting, rebounding and turnovers so far in first half?

 
bison63 
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11-12-17 06:47 PM - Post#236020    
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Ark keeping Nana away from hoop

 
bison63 
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11-12-17 06:56 PM - Post#236024    
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Down 22 at half. This team, at this point, is not the team we thought it was. Need to take care of the ball for one thing.

 
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11-12-17 07:06 PM - Post#236028    
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At least Kimbal made a basket....

 
Bison7882 
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11-12-17 07:08 PM - Post#236029    
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Hate to play Debbie Downer but this team can't play defense and is soft on offense. I'm sure we'll be fine against Lafayette or Colgate and we may win the PL but we're not competitive against Power Conference teams. Yes, we played a great game against West Virginia last year but this isn't the 2005-2006 team. Not even close.

 
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11-12-17 07:14 PM - Post#236032    
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The team looks tired and shooting 3's with tired legs does not mix well! I also don't think we match up well with athletic teams. The bison can't stop the penetration and can't get up high enough for a rebound or box out. I think this game might finish ugly.

 
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11-12-17 08:35 PM - Post#236055    
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Are we going home tonight or heading straight to Chapel Hill?

 
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11-12-17 08:39 PM - Post#236057    
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Are we going home tonight or heading straight to Chapel Hill?


I'm sure they will come home and go to class tomorrow and Tuesday. This isn't UNC.

 
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11-12-17 08:43 PM - Post#236059    
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I'm not ready to write this team off two games into the season. Let's reserve judgment about these two games until we see how good Monmouth and Arkansas are going to be. There are things to fix, particularly on defense. It's a long season and a long time until March.

 
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11-12-17 09:30 PM - Post#236061    
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My optimism is based on Bison under Davis starting slow each year, then picking up the pace once in league. Today we looked slow, weak, and poorly coached. Motion offense got pushed back to half court and Nana pushed 5-10 feet outside his zone. Still struggling with foul shots. What was with the white long tights most wore under shorts? Bad look.

 
KenZ 
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11-12-17 09:32 PM - Post#236062    
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i'm with jkrun on this, way to early to panic. lot's to work on, but plenty of time. ran into a very athletic team that played very well tonight. how were we all feeling after the Butler game last year?

Edited by KenZ on 11-12-17 09:34 PM. Reason for edit: redundancy and i repeated something

 
HuskyColonial 
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11-12-17 09:58 PM - Post#236064    
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I saw the 2nd half and this team bore no resemblance to the NCAA tourney team from last year. It was ugly and not competitive. I think we set the bar a little high folks.

 
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11-12-17 10:40 PM - Post#236066    
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  • HuskyColonial Said:
I saw the 2nd half and this team bore no resemblance to the NCAA tourney team from last year.




And ironically, for the first 17:30 of that half - before they subbed out Thomas, Foulland, and Brown - the Bison actually outscored Arkansas 37-36.




 
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Re: Arkansas Game
11-12-17 10:47 PM - Post#236067    
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  • KenZ Said:
i'm with jkrun on this, way to early to panic. lot's to work on, but plenty of time. ran into a very athletic team that played very well tonight. how were we all feeling after the Butler game last year?





Yes, certainly no need to panic. A lot of work ahead but I expect things to improve. I really would like to see them work some on the matchup zone however. Also a healthy Kimbal Mackenzie would help. I assume everyone noted he was shut down for the night a couple minutes into the second half. It's obvious his injury is affecting his play significantly. If his health doesn't improve the next few days, it might make sense to not let him play Wednesday night. Definitely need him to get healthy.

One slight silver lining in the dark clouds: Zach Thomas now ranks 7th in the nation in KenPom's POY rankings:

Player kPOY Rating
1 Allonzo Trier, Arizona
6-5 · 205 · Jr · Seattle, WA 1.631

2 Bonzie Colson, Notre Dame
6-6 · 224 · Sr · New Bedford, MA 1.624

3 Jordan Murphy, Minnesota
6-6 · 250 · Jr · San Antonio, TX 1.585

4 Andrew Rowsey, Marquette
5-11 · 180 · Sr · Lexington, VA 1.478

5 Tony Carr, Penn St.
6-5 · 204 · So · Philadelphia, PA 1.401

6 Ben Lammers, Georgia Tech
6-10 · 234 · Sr · San Antonio, TX 1.400

7 Zach Thomas, Bucknell
6-7 · 228 · Sr · Ijamsville, MD 1.388

8 Reid Travis, Stanford
6-8 · 245 · Jr · Minneapolis, MN 1.322

9 Luke Maye, North Carolina
6-8 · 240 · Jr · Huntersville, NC 1.287

10 Dazon Ingram, Alabama
6-5 · 207 · So · Theodore, AL 1.254





 
Bison137 
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11-12-17 10:49 PM - Post#236068    
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  • jkrun80 Said:
  • BUFan Said:
Are we going home tonight or heading straight to Chapel Hill?


I'm sure they will come home and go to class tomorrow and Tuesday. This isn't UNC.




Yes, remember that PK80 event is paying for charter planes. They chartered to Arkansas Saturday morning. Will charter back to PA this evening. Then to UNC late Tuesday afternoon. Then likely back Wednesday night right after the game. Only one missed class day.




 
BUFan 
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11-13-17 06:39 AM - Post#236075    
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Oh good. I guess chattering into Harrisburg or Williamsport is a lot better than flying commercial to Philly or Baltimore with long bus rides to follow

 
HuskyColonial 
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11-13-17 07:21 AM - Post#236077    
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Anyone know what the payout is for going to HM schools to play? Does it cover a charter?

 
bison63 
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11-13-17 08:08 AM - Post#236080    
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I’m with Husky, this team is not the same as the one that played WVU(who btw, got their own butt kicking from TA&M yesterday). Never the less, this team is not in anyway comparable to the 2006 team that returned nearly everybody from the Kansas killing 2005 team. While we may have outscored Ark for a good portion of the 2nd half, we could done just as well if 4 men stayed back in the offensive zone when Ark had the ball, because that is how bad the defense was. Fwiw, I preferred the old PF slow down and play tight defense style of PF. Think about this... yesterday we scored more than 20 points more than when we beat Ark in 2006... but still lost by nearly 30. I am sure we will be fine for the PL, but I think we were hoping for more than that this year. Still say Kimbal is the key... he is the missing ingredient thus far.

 
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11-13-17 08:54 AM - Post#236085    
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I said it after the Monmouth game, and I'll say it again. It is the Head Coach's job to get a team ready to play. This team was not ready. They looked tired, slow, and sloopy.
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!


 
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11-13-17 09:17 AM - Post#236086    
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  • BUFan Said:
Oh good. I guess chattering into Harrisburg or Williamsport is a lot better than flying commercial to Philly or Baltimore with long bus rides to follow


Yes, much better than that. That said, the hired plane was so small they had to stop for gas in Cincinnati.

 
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11-13-17 09:26 AM - Post#236087    
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There was an '88 Bucknell football alum attending the game in a spiffy Arkansas shirt. His son attends, but that is no excuse whatsoever. I do hereby excommunicate him.


 
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11-13-17 10:28 AM - Post#236089    
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  • HuskyColonial Said:
Anyone know what the payout is for going to HM schools to play? Does it cover a charter?




Payouts vary depending on circumstances. When it is a buy game that is not part of a tournament, the amount is negotiated and can be between $50k and $100k, sometimes more. The school in most cases would pay its own travel expenses out of that amount.

In the case of the Arkansas game, it is part of the PK80 tournament, normally with teams getting a payday plus expenses paid. That would include the costs of chartering a plane since the required travel is virtually impossible without chartering. Teams couldnt afford to commit to a tournament - where they don't know where they are going at the time of commitment - unless expenses were covered.




 
Paulie777 
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11-13-17 12:10 PM - Post#236098    
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Well, time to move on. We might as well not even play if our free throw percentage is as good as a middle schools team. Yet we have to play the NCAA national champions.
We have a really good team, just unprepared for this caliber of play. We can't hang like that.
This Cinderella is still getting pushed around by the step sisters and only sweeping floors. Its a long way to the dance from here.

 
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11-13-17 02:38 PM - Post#236134    
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  • Bison89 Said:
I said it after the Monmouth game, and I'll say it again. It is the Head Coach's job to get a team ready to play. This team was not ready. They looked tired, slow, and sloopy.


Well, you need to consider they played a late game Friday night, bused back to Lewisburg in the early morning hours Saturday. Got back on a bus to the airport Sat morning and flew to Arkansas. No wonder they looked tired.

 
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11-13-17 02:49 PM - Post#236135    
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I am pretty sure that all of the players are 18-22 years old. Other than following a few late night parties, I do not remember being tired at that age.

Sorry but I think that they need to be better prepared to play.
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!


 
bison63 
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11-13-17 05:37 PM - Post#236151    
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  • jkrun80 Said:
  • Bison89 Said:
I said it after the Monmouth game, and I'll say it again. It is the Head Coach's job to get a team ready to play. This team was not ready. They looked tired, slow, and sloopy.


Well, you need to consider they played a late game Friday night, bused back to Lewisburg in the early morning hours Saturday. Got back on a bus to the airport Sat morning and flew to Arkansas. No wonder they looked tired.


Believe that read somewhere that the plan was to bus from Monmouth to Atlantic City and fly from there to Ark.

 
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11-13-17 06:00 PM - Post#236154    
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Thomas PL Player of the Week:

http://www.bucknellbison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_O...

In the Monmouth game, he became the first Bison in the scholarship era to get 30+ points and 15+ rebounds.




 
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11-13-17 07:01 PM - Post#236157    
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  • bison63 Said:
Believe that read somewhere that the plan was to bus from Monmouth to Atlantic City and fly from there to Ark.


That's good. Still a lot of travelling in a 48 hour period.


 
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11-13-17 07:41 PM - Post#236165    
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Thanks! Great reply.

 
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11-13-17 11:04 PM - Post#236246    
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Steven Kaspar made the five hour drive from his home in Memphis to attend the Arkansas game. At Bucknell, he overlapped with the seniors.

 
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11-13-17 11:21 PM - Post#236247    
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Must’ve seemed like a ten hour ride home after watching that performance.

 
HuskyColonial 
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11-14-17 07:13 PM - Post#236329    
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Hahahahahahahaha! Kaspar was one of the slicker PG’s we ever had. He forced a ton of stuff and wasn’t a shooter but I liked watching his no look passes.



Edited by HuskyColonial on 11-14-17 07:13 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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Re: Arkansas Game
11-14-17 07:35 PM - Post#236334    
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  • HuskyColonial Said:
Hahahahahahahaha! Kaspar was one of the slicker PG’s we ever had. He forced a ton of stuff and wasn’t a shooter but I liked watching his no look passes.






Agree about Kaspar. I thought he was one of the more underrated players the Bison have had - and he deserved more playing time as a junior and especially as a senior. In his junior year, he had the nation's 6th best assist rate (pct of baskets that he assisted on while on the floor) and was in the top 70 as a senior. He was also nationally ranked both years in steal pct, despite DP strongly discouraging players from ever trying to steal the ball. He also was a good defensive player and had a very good rating for a guard on defensive rebounds.

One thing that might surprise people is that in his senior year he led all PL players in assist:turnovr ratio in league games.




 
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Re: Arkansas Game
11-15-17 10:42 AM - Post#236379    
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Kaspar learned to compete by the time he was a senior under DP. The fact that he had really limited range and was a surprisingly bad FT shooter was counterbalanced by his toughness as he developed. I'll tell you one thing they remember him at Penn State...he destroyed them...was one of those guys I screamed at the TV the most about but always admired him underneath...great citizen as well

 
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11-15-17 11:19 AM - Post#236383    
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Yes, he was a bad FT shooter for three years - much of it mental - but he somehow willed himself into shooting them well as a senior. Hit over 72% in all games and about 76% in PL games. In fact, he ranked in the league's top 10 for FT shooting in PL games that year. That's something most people wouldn't have guessed. He was also 5th in assists, 7th in steals, 15th in blocked shots, and 1st in assist:turnover ratio that year.




 
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Re: Arkansas Game
11-15-17 01:08 PM - Post#236395    
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I actually did remember he got MUCH better but I;m too lazy to check stats and AM surprised he got over the 70 mark

 
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11-15-17 04:01 PM - Post#236434    
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We loved Steven ever since he was a freshman. He competed hard and was fun to watch. He ended being a passable shooter as a senior and I think he was handcuffed greatly by the system he was in. If he played for the current Bison regime and was tha starter, he’d be hugely entertaining, and successful.

 
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