Jeff2sf
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11-16-17 11:31 AM - Post#236585
In response to palestra38
What a terrible taek. When a hot take is so burning hot, I have to misspell it.
Ben Simmons in his one year was a 117 ORat. Something Antonio Woods hasn't sniffed in nearly 45 games. Ben Simmons is 8-9 inches taller. Ben Simmons is faster. Ben Simmons was the consensus number one player entering in college. Antonio Woods was maybe the consensus 1000th player entering into college. Ben put up his stats against the SEC, Antonio put up his poor stats against worse talent. Much like Ben Simmons, I too can not shoot.
Therefore, I must be like Ben Simmons.
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palestra38
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11-16-17 11:44 AM - Post#236587
In response to Jeff2sf
Of course, I don't compare AW's talent to Simmons, but Simmons didn't lift his team to anything despite those numbers.
So I guess (using your logic), those numbers are utterly meaningless.
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Jeff2sf
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11-16-17 11:49 AM - Post#236589
In response to palestra38
What? How are they meaningless? He played with bad players and put up good stats. He is literally not comparable to Antonio Woods unless we all are comparable to Ben Simmons. That's my only logic.
It was such a terrible take so unsupported by reality that it needed to be mocked. When are you going to acknowledge your guy is ordinary. What will it take? What goalposts shall you move?
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Jeff2sf
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11-16-17 11:49 AM - Post#236590
In response to Jeff2sf
I will say I've been pleased with his defense.
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palestra38
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11-16-17 11:53 AM - Post#236593
In response to Jeff2sf
OK, we can agree on that. And he's staying within himself. To you, though, unless he is shooting from 3 he is not effective. He would be more effective offensively, I think, if he were playing with Wood or Donahue rather than Foreman, but don't you think the fact that Donahue has him in when he can't most effectively be used offensively tells a lot about what the coach thinks of his game?
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Jeff2sf
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11-16-17 11:56 AM - Post#236594
In response to palestra38
Sigh.
I'm saying that he plays Woods because he's the best of what's around. That's a pretty incontrovertible statement. What's up for debate is that you think that means he's good/above average/#1 pick in the draft/whatever.
Whereas all available evidence suggests he's a below average starting Ivy guard.
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Basketball Bruce
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Re: Navy
11-16-17 11:57 AM - Post#236595
In response to palestra38
Agree on Wood---but Wood also looked good in his limited minutes against better competition against LaSalle. And why did anyone ever think he was a PG--he's a pure shooting guard and a pretty good one.
I don't know about anyone else, but I certainly never thought he was a PG. He didn't play that position at Lassen in Las Vegas and every recruiting service labeled him a shooting guard. And it took 3 minutes on the floor during the first game to see he was out of position. It was so hard watching him struggle when you could see that he was a true shooting guard. I blame SD for that. How did he not see it? In the same way that he started Silpe as a shooting guard his freshman year. Both lost confidence and probably, trust in their coach, who, as has been stated before, should be putting his players in a position to succeed.
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palestra38
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Re: Navy
11-16-17 12:04 PM - Post#236596
In response to Jeff2sf
The stats are what they are. The coach sees more potential and so do I. So we'll ride it out and I am certain you will give me the "I told you so" for years if it turns out he was subpar.
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TheLine
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11-16-17 12:04 PM - Post#236597
In response to palestra38
I praised Woods for his game but let's not get carried away. He's shooting 31% from the field and while that's a small sample size he wasn't a good shooter before this year. It's a big hole in his game that's preventing me from getting gung-ho about Antonio being more than a useful role player on this team. Kind of like Rothschild's turnover problem being a big hole in Max's game.
Betley is a player. Brodeur continues to be a beast on defense and I think he'll figure things out on offense. After that - big talent gap.
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Cvonvorys
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11-16-17 12:24 PM - Post#236601
In response to TheLine
Speaking of AW, he's gotta do a better job from the free throw line... 50% won't cut it.
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palestra38
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11-16-17 12:27 PM - Post#236602
In response to Cvonvorys
Agreed, but can't read too much into a 1-2
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Cvonvorys
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11-16-17 12:30 PM - Post#236604
In response to palestra38
Can I read into 4-8 on the season? Maybe not... Max is a perfect 2-2 from the line so far this year, and it's doubtful that trend will continue throughout the season.
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PennFan10
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11-16-17 12:37 PM - Post#236605
In response to Cvonvorys
To be fair, Max is 2-4. On Monday two successive lane violations have him 4 Ft's to make 2. One of those was due to AJ coaxing the LaSalle player into the lane, which was quite clever
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TheLine
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11-16-17 12:39 PM - Post#236606
In response to PennFan10
Woods is a career 50% FT shooter. It's an issue, yes.
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Jeff2sf
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11-16-17 12:42 PM - Post#236608
In response to TheLine
we're acting as if his freshman and sophomore seasons never happened. Guy is performing essentially in line with 40 games and we're all like, hmmm, i don't know...
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TheLine
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11-16-17 12:46 PM - Post#236612
In response to Jeff2sf
Yeah, he's playing because his competition has done nothing to distance themselves from him. One could make a better argument for Foreman frankly since he's a better shooter and makes more of his FTs. I'm bending over backwards to give Woods the benefit of the doubt here.
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palestra38
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11-16-17 12:50 PM - Post#236613
In response to TheLine
Agreed, it is pure eye test that in my opinion, Woods is a much better player than Foreman. But I am by no means the only person who feels that way.
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Jeff2sf
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11-16-17 12:53 PM - Post#236615
In response to palestra38
i don't think the Line said what you think he said.
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mrjames
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11-16-17 01:00 PM - Post#236620
In response to Jeff2sf
we're acting as if his freshman and sophomore seasons never happened. Guy is performing essentially in line with 40 games and we're all like, hmmm, i don't know...
Yeah... it's all about priors. My prior was that he'd play similarly to how he has in the past. So far, that prior has held up. If your prior was that he'd take a big leap, there's likely not enough evidence yet to move you off of that. But what we've seen thus far is hardly confirmatory...
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Glenflesk
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11-16-17 01:09 PM - Post#236624
In response to TheLine
I don't mean to beat a dead horse; but in a game where 16 guys, including all the deep bench players, were on the court at least 3 minutes each, the bench was being emptied and not with 3pt shooting roles in mind.
Sam remained on the bench by design, whatever that meant.
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