Jeff2sf
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11-19-17 11:24 AM - Post#236930
In response to palestra38
I am not asking anyone to justify the reasoning, but can someone explain the reasoning of a tournament "insisting" you play a d3 team? Is there something tied to an NCAA rule?
Also, do these stats show up in ORats and other stats on college bb ref?
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Mike Porter
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11-19-17 11:34 AM - Post#236932
In response to Jeff2sf
Pretty sure these stats don't count (nor should they really)
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penn nation
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Penn State Brandywine
11-19-17 11:39 AM - Post#236933
In response to Jeff2sf
I think the only stat that you usually see is the overall team W-L record. Of course, that win doesn't count when computing RPI and the like (unless that game is somehow lost).
Here's what always got my goat: within the past couple of years, there were Princeton players that got Ivy Player of the Week honors for their stats in such games. That's just absurd.
And even this year--Aiken got Ivy Player of the Week and Cambridge got Rookie of the Week, and 2 out of the 3 games played by those honorees were non DI contests.
Domination
Edited by penn nation on 11-19-17 11:47 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Penn7277
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11-19-17 11:42 AM - Post#236934
In response to penn nation
Could it be that the tournament wanted all of the participating teams to play a DIII-level team, so that everyone would be "assured" of at least one win by the time they reached the tournament?
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Streamers
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11-19-17 11:50 AM - Post#236936
In response to Penn7277
What I hate about a game Iike this is that we no longer have the authority to trash PU for their annual post-finals cupcake game.
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mrjames
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11-19-17 12:03 PM - Post#236937
In response to Streamers
As for whether these stats count... at most sites (Bart Torvik, KenPom, Hoop-Math), no. College basketball reference might include them, I forget...
I only include non-D1 games if the team is better than the worst D1 teams, and then I place that ORAT/DRAT as the adjustment for that team. For instance, MIT stats count in my Harvard PBP stuff, because MIT is better than the dregs of D1. Brandywine, Emerson, Curry, J&W won't because they're worse to far, far worse.
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mrjames
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11-19-17 12:06 PM - Post#236938
In response to mrjames
Also, the good news on this is that it's a complete freebie game. Doesn't count as an actual one of the 27 because it's lumped into the Gulf Coast Showcase MTE.
Now, if there isn't something that mandates you play a non-D1 school as part of it, technically, Penn could have scheduled any other participant in the showcase and played them as a free game instead of Brandywine.
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