PennFan10
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11-30-17 01:57 AM - Post#238495
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I wasn't surprised to see Eddie regress from his Monmouth game. The biggest thing with Freshmen is consistency. We will probably see Monmouth Eddie again this year and may see Villanova Eddie too. Part of the process. Encouraging to see Jarrod get some minutes and contribute, he is coming along.
Also very encouraging to see AJ have a good game. I was beginning to worry about him after the Monmouth game where he went AWOL for the last 30 minutes of the game.
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AsiaSunset
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11-30-17 05:59 AM - Post#238498
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They were very good. It's so weird to watch a game and your team loses by 28 and the sense one has is that they didn't look all that bad. Villanova was just that much better.
One thing I've been noticing - while the ball movement has been crisp this year, we don't set many good picks. Contrast this with Nova which sets great picks which either opened up jump shots or created an open lane to the basket.
I agree with others that the game could have been closer had they not been quite that deadly and we shot the ball just a bit better. Nevertheless - we are never winning a game against a team that talented.
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91Quake
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11-30-17 08:56 AM - Post#238502
In response to AsiaSunset
To paraphrase Prince: Never is a mighty long time.
Agree with most of what is being said here. AJ looked real good besides the corner 3. Jarrod looked much better. Eddie proved he is a freshman but we just need those two guys to keep moving in the right direction.
And towards the latter portions of the game I though Ryan looked much better shooting the ball. Not sure if he made some adjustment, but the form of the jumper looked more similar to last year I thought and the results were great. Not sure if anyone else noticed anything there.
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penn nation
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11-30-17 09:52 AM - Post#238511
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I noticed the same thing about Betley in the 2nd half. He got the ball in good rhythm and his form was impressive
AJ tends to do better in these kinds of games because the opponent is so talented that they can play everyone man to man. That’s what happened last year as well. But in Ivy season he faced constant double teams and his production suffered.
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PennFan10
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11-30-17 10:13 AM - Post#238517
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Well interestingly last night, Nova didn't double AJ for the most part (ok that's not so interesting) but they doubled Max immediately in the post. Obviously it's not because they were worried about him as a scoring threat one on one, but they seemed to realize the offense often runs through him AND he has been prone to turnovers so decided to pressure him. Max had 3 turnovers, 1 that I can remember vs that pressure.
Princeton loses at home to Lehigh (trailing by 22 they got it to 2 and lost by 9) and Yale loses at Bryant (after an 8 pt halftime lead they lost by 9)? Yikes.
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penn nation
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11-30-17 10:23 AM - Post#238522
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Yale pulled away from Bryant in the second half after struggling with them for the first 26-28 minutes or so.
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11-30-17 10:42 AM - Post#238527
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Hmmm. I see. I clicked on the Live Stats link and it routed me to the 2016 box score. My bad.
Order has been restored. Yale wins.
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TheLine
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11-30-17 11:18 AM - Post#238535
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Well interestingly last night, Nova didn't double AJ for the most part (ok that's not so interesting) but they doubled Max immediately in the post. Obviously it's not because they were worried about him as a scoring threat one on one, but they seemed to realize the offense often runs through him AND he has been prone to turnovers so decided to pressure him. Max had 3 turnovers, 1 that I can remember vs that pressure.
I'm puzzled why so much of the offense runs through Max. I guess it helps with spacing but I'd think it's possible to fix that some other way. Max is not awful with the ball and his TO problem is kind of understandable given often often the play flows through him but I still don't get it.
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Jeff2sf
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11-30-17 11:27 AM - Post#238539
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what WOULD qualify as "awful with the ball". He has a TO rate of 23% and an assist rate of 14.4%. This is blessedly less than the 28% rate from last year but in being more cautious, he's also got a lower assist rate.
The TO rate in a vacuum is too high. That he doesn't have a ton of assists doesn't mitigate.
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11-30-17 11:53 AM - Post#238546
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In a vacuum the rate is too high.
Based on subjective viewing he's not an awful ball handler though it isn't his strength either. If the flow of the play didn't go through him so much then I'd bet his rate would be much lower and we wouldn't be having this conversation. Instead we'd be talking about his rebounding, solid D and improved shooting at a TO rate well below last year's.
I didn't see the Nova game - was following the Columbia game instead - so don't know what Rothschild's TOs were last night. My observation in other games is that he has a tendency to start moving before dribbling and is picking up more than his fair share of traveling calls because of it. It would help a lot if he could fix that.
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11-30-17 12:05 PM - Post#238548
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well what i'm saying is there's no justification for moving the offense through him. i don't particularly remember last year the offense moving through him when he had a higher rate of TO than even Caleb Wood who was dreadful and a PG.
Steve either needs to stop running it through him or we need to have another definition of running it through him because he's not a good enough handler of the ball to justify this.
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yoyo
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11-30-17 12:55 PM - Post#238549
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Did anyone notice the form on Rothschild's free throws last night? Looked completely different. Did Herb Magee pay him a visit?
Wow was that place rocking last night. Wish we could get the students to come out like that.
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11-30-17 01:05 PM - Post#238550
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It seemed different and better to me on Saturday even if the results weren't there.
Woods also seemed more deliberate in his approach Saturday though I don't exactly remember what it looked like before.
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11-30-17 01:51 PM - Post#238561
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For anybody who has watched a game in the SD era, the offense has run through the 5 in every game. Started w DNH, AJ last year, Max this year. When Max is out AJ runs it. Simmons actually comes in at the 5 and it runs through him.
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11-30-17 01:59 PM - Post#238566
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It worked pretty well last year when teams played AJ straight up.
But AJ and Max both run into big problems when they get doubled. They often don't anticipate the double team, have trouble getting rid of the ball, and create turnovers as a result.
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11-30-17 02:17 PM - Post#238570
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It was actually fun being there in a small arena that was maybe 75% students
They were loud but fun in a HS kind of way, shouting "air ball" etc
Maybe we can tap into the large chinese population next year with Michael Wang as Harvard did with Lin
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11-30-17 02:22 PM - Post#238572
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I think the best we can hope for at this point is to keep getting better each year and perhaps catch Nova on a "down year" at Palestra and have a closer game
Nova was actually wiling to have this game at the
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penn62
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11-30-17 08:25 PM - Post#238621
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More positives in this game than Monmouth.
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gopenngo
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12-01-17 12:45 AM - Post#238632
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Buddy of mine knows sideline person who has worked many Big 5 games for many years. No affiliation. The comment was to the effect of: Penn looked terrible.
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yoyo
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12-01-17 11:02 AM - Post#238647
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what is a "sideline person"?
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