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Bison137 
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11-28-17 06:22 PM - Post#238213    


Bucknell Game Article:

http://www.bucknellbison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_O...




 
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11-28-17 06:25 PM - Post#238214    
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Kimbal Mackenzie has been shut down indefinitely. Jimmy Sotos will start in his spot. That seems like a good decision, but likely should have happened a couple of weeks earlier. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see Kimbal again until after exams.




 
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11-28-17 06:26 PM - Post#238215    
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from the article..." Junior Kimbal Mackenzie is out indefinitely after undergoing surgery to repair an abdominal muscle tear."

 
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11-28-17 06:45 PM - Post#238217    
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  • LewisburgLocal Said:
from the article..." Junior Kimbal Mackenzie is out indefinitely after undergoing surgery to repair an abdominal muscle tear."




Thanks for noting that. It's obviously hard to estimate a return date, but looking quickly at what might have been similar injuries, the abdominal tear to the Packers' Greg Jennings stands out. The link describes the injury in detail and why surgery might be necessary. Fwiw, Jennings returned to the field in four weeks.




 
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11-28-17 07:00 PM - Post#238219    
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I hope this takes care of the issue and gets Kimbal back to the Kimbal we’ve grown accustomed to seeing. The team absolutely needs a healthy Kimbal moving forward. I know he’s helped in some other areas but the truth is, his effectiveness has been limited. You just cannot have a player playing the fourth most minutes shoot 26% and his injury had to effect his mobility on defense as well. But aside from a basketball perspective, I hope he gets better purely from the standpoint of his health.

 
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11-28-17 07:10 PM - Post#238220    
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As for who picks up Kimbal’s minutes, as we know Sotos will start and probably get 24-27 minutes. Makes sense that Nate Jones will get more minutes. But I’ also can see Meeks on the floor a bit more with Bruce getting some extra time at the guard spot.

 
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11-28-17 07:17 PM - Post#238221    
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I wouldn't be surprised to see Sotos getting 30 or more minutes a game. Other than him and Brown, the only real guards on the bench are O'Reilly and Sechan. Depending on the defense, Jones can give them a few minutes there but he is really not a guard. Same with Robertson. Had Toomer not also been hurt, he could have slotted right into that spot.




 
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11-28-17 07:19 PM - Post#238222    
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I've said right along that I think Kimbal is the key difference between us being a great team as opposed to a very ood team. If all others pay their normal game, and we have the Kimbal of the WVA game we can beat anybody. If he is not quite up to the WVA standard, we will still give most teams fits.

Edited by bison63 on 11-28-17 07:27 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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11-28-17 07:23 PM - Post#238224    
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  • Bison137 Said:
I wouldn't be surprised to see Sotos getting 30 or more minutes a game. Other than him and Brown, the only real guards on the bench are O'Reilly and Sechan. Depending on the defense, Jones can give them a few minutes there but he is really not a guard. Same with Robertson. Had Toomer not also been hurt, he could have slotted right into that spot.


I agree. Sotos and O'Reilly will pick up the bulk of his minutes, which have been limited compared to last year. Wouldn't mind seeing Jones play more, but he's not a great fit for the 2 guard spot.

 
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11-28-17 07:35 PM - Post#238225    
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A word to those who will watch the stream of this game. It is on the A10 network which is not free.. A10 has a 1 day plan that costs $6.95, and a monthly plan that is $14.95. With VCU and Richmond coming up, the monthly not only saves a few bucks, but it allows you to watch any A10 telecast. One word of caution however, "as a convenience" the A10 will automatically renew your monthly membership, so do not forget to cancel before the month is up.

 
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11-28-17 07:50 PM - Post#238226    
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I agree that Jones isn’t a perfect fit, but to me, he would be better defensively than O’Reilly in extended minutes. But given that Davis used O’Reilly more against Ball State, I can see him giving him a shot. Whatever the plan, I think it will be mix and match quite a bit.

 
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11-28-17 08:32 PM - Post#238227    
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  • MrPhillie Said:
I agree that Jones isn’t a perfect fit, but to me, he would be better defensively than O’Reilly in extended minutes. But given that Davis used O’Reilly more against Ball State, I can see him giving him a shot. Whatever the plan, I think it will be mix and match quite a bit.



I agree about the mix and match, we will be seeing different players at different times in another game that could go either way. Sotos has passed every test with flying colors, but will he have a freshman setback tomorrow or will he shine even more? Sotos and O'Reilley will be key here and OReilly's shooting could determine the game. MacKenzie must be tough as nails if he was playing with an ab injury. I'm looking forward to the game! And thanks Bison63 for the tip!

 
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11-28-17 08:44 PM - Post#238229    
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St Joes has not been awfully great so far this year. They have a win over Princeton in a home game, but lost to Harvard on a neutral site. Also beat Sac State ( rank 309) by just 5, again on a neutral site. That performance dropped them from 75th in Pomeroy to 87th. This would be a good road win.


 
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11-28-17 08:47 PM - Post#238230    
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Looking at St. Joe’s roster and games this year, even though Newkirk leads them in scoring, I’m more concerned with Demery, Funk and Oliva. Newkirk is shooting only 38% to get his points and I think Stephen may give him some trouble. But Funk is 6’9”-10” and shoots a ton of threes, not sure who will match up with him. And Demery looks to be the athletic type to be a matchup problem as well.

 
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11-28-17 09:04 PM - Post#238231    
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It's interesting that freshman center, 6-9 Taylor Funk, who is from the Lancaster area, only got five reported offers: St. Joes, LaSalle, Boston U, Monmouth, and Rider. No offer from Bucknell, who was desperately in need of a center for that class. He did commit early (May 2016), but he might have been a difference-maker for the Bucknell recruiting class.




 
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11-28-17 09:10 PM - Post#238232    
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  • MrPhillie Said:
Looking at St. Joe’s roster and games this year, even though Newkirk leads them in scoring, I’m more concerned with Demery, Funk and Oliva. Newkirk is shooting only 38% to get his points and I think Stephen may give him some trouble. But Funk is 6’9”-10” and shoots a ton of threes, not sure who will match up with him. And Demery looks to be the athletic type to be a matchup problem as well.




Looking at matchups, 6-10 freshman center Longpre is the starter (ahead of Funk) and I imagine Nana will guard him, with Zach on Oliva and Moore on Demery. When Funk - who is largely a 3-point shooter despite his size - enters, then I see Zach guarding him and Nana switching onto Oliva, who mostly stays close to the basket.

Newkirk is only hitting 26.5% on his threes thus far - as he returns from ACL surgery - but he is still very dangerous. He shot a lot better last year before his injury.




 
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11-28-17 10:44 PM - Post#238242    
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Just bought 2 tickets on Stubhub in Section 118 for $33 each including fees. Looking forward to a fun, competitive game.

It will be interesting to see who steps up.

BTW, Bison89 and a fellow 89er will be at the Landmark Americana Tap & Grill which is just across the street from the game starting at 5:30. Old Bison, I owe you one or more. Feel free to stop by.

http://www.landmarkamericana.com/cl-home/

Go Bison!
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
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11-28-17 11:06 PM - Post#238245    
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My son and I are in Sec 214 I believe...I’m guessing here should be a decent number of Bison fans?

 
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11-29-17 09:06 AM - Post#238273    
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  • MrPhillie Said:
My son and I are in Sec 214 I believe...I’m guessing here should be a decent number of Bison fans?



Phillie, I agree that there should be a sizable Bucknell contingent. If the Bison had won any of the Power Conference games, the crowd would be bigger, but even at 3-4, this is a fun team to watch. Given the the number of Bucknellians in the Philly area, we should see lots of old friends.

I am hoping for a win which will put the Bison at 0.500 for the first time this season.

GO BISON!
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
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11-29-17 10:44 AM - Post#238283    
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Interesting, teamrankings.com has the Bison with a 55.8% chance of winning tonight.

It also shows them as the favorite in all their remaining games except for VCU.


 
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11-29-17 10:59 AM - Post#238285    
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Pomeroy has BU as a 2-point underdog, with a 41% chance of a win. AFter that, it also has the Bison as the favorite in every remaining game except VCU. But because they are not heavy favorites, Pomeroy predicts them to win three of the final five OOC games (Vermont, Northeastern, VCU, Richmond, and LaSalle),




 
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11-29-17 11:07 AM - Post#238286    
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teamrankings is similar, though slightly more favorable towards the Bison.

(though if someone put a gun to my head, I'd always go with kenpom)


Edited by res on 11-29-17 11:08 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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11-29-17 11:07 AM - Post#238287    
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The Bison, btw, currently have played the 10th toughest schedule in the nation (Pomeroy) after adjusting for teams who have played D2/D3 opponents. They are 3rd among top 100 teams and 5th among top 200 teams.




 
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11-29-17 11:56 AM - Post#238293    
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Does anybody know the St. Joes hoops forum site?
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
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11-29-17 12:07 PM - Post#238294    
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  • Bison89 Said:
Does anybody know the St. Joes hoops forum site?



The old Hawk Hoop Club seems to have disappeared. This is the only board of which I am aware:

https://247sports.com/college/saint-josephs /Board/...


 
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11-29-17 08:31 PM - Post#238367    
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The shooting couldn’t be much worse, 22% with 8 min to go...10% from three.

 
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11-29-17 08:36 PM - Post#238373    
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This is a sad state of affairs. You think davis can make an adjustment. The strategy is pretty clear...double team all posts. And can O’Reilly not play. I literally can’t remember him hitting threes. If he’s not going to hit threes he provides nothing of value.

 
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11-29-17 08:51 PM - Post#238384    
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O’reilly shouldn’t be in the rotation. He’s awful on D and is the worst “Sharp Shooter” in the PL.

This is awful.

 
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11-29-17 08:53 PM - Post#238389    
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Not that this is this the cause of the horrible half, but these refs are horrible, absolutely horrible.

 
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11-29-17 08:54 PM - Post#238390    
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Did not see this coming.

 
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11-29-17 08:58 PM - Post#238394    
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If our shots aren't going in we're a bad team. We're leaving them wide open to make their shots. We manufacture runs for the other team by our bad shooting and it gets us behind. Bruce Moore had an open three right at the beginning of the game and didn't take it and it set the tone for the whole game. Zach is cold as ice. On a plus note, Stephen Brown is trying to carry the team and Jimmy Sotos is really artistic when he has the ball. We have an absentee coach tonight. Maryland was down fifteen and made the halftime adjustments. Will Bucknell be able to do the same, or will it be a runaway?

Edited by Paulie777 on 11-29-17 09:00 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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11-29-17 09:03 PM - Post#238397    
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Sigh. I can’t believe we drove almost three hours to watch the worst half of basketball this season. So many things not good with that half. There have def been defensive lapses leaving guys wide open, but it seems the biggest problem is abysmal shooting from everywhere. Nana has had good looks but can’t hit, Zach looks overwhelmed when he gets the ball down low, Bruce cannot hit anything, O’Reilly Who is in for one purpose only is 0-4....not going to win any game shooting 25% from th field and 53% from the line. Can only hope the percentages even out in the second half. Luckily SJ’s only hit 36% from the field or this would be over.

 
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11-29-17 09:13 PM - Post#238408    
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Its only getting worse in the 2nd half.

 
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11-29-17 09:19 PM - Post#238413    
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This is pathetic. The effort is sad, the rebounding is embarrasssing. St. Joes is not any good. We wouldn’t have beaten Colgate tonight. This is shameful

 
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11-29-17 09:21 PM - Post#238418    
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54-33 this one is over, To play well and lose is not a bad thing. That is not the case in this game. Still hoping for a miracle, but not expecting much.

 
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11-29-17 09:33 PM - Post#238429    
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No effort on the rebounding. Its almost like they don't think its part of the game. The spirit of the team left with MacKenzie. This team is deflated.

 
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11-29-17 09:36 PM - Post#238430    
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God Joe Lunardi called this game on the A10? He’s a really bad commentator. Just stick to bracketology dude. If I didn’t know better it was a student commentator.

 
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11-29-17 09:37 PM - Post#238431    
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Sotos and Brown showed up at least. I know he’s still young but I am just not seeing what many others are seeing in Moore. Seems like a likeable young man but at least tonite, is not very good on defense. For being 6’8” his help defense inside against smaller players is poor.

 
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11-29-17 09:52 PM - Post#238444    
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So what exactly does Nathan Davis do? I’ve yet to see adjustments from him all season. They play simple man D. Offensively they seem to do dribble hand offs and 1-4. I’ve yet to see a designed play out of a time out.

In this game we’re down the entire game and showing no energy and we never change to a press, even when we’re down 12 with 4 mins left? Like I don’t get it, what’s he doing?

 
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11-29-17 10:29 PM - Post#238463    
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We're not going to have many nights of shooting the ball that badly. Going to need to bounce back to beat Vermont. They beat Richmond on the road tonight 71-65.

 
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jkrun - I agree that we won't have many nights that bad shooting the ball and the result is no surprise when you look at the %'s across 2's,3's and FT's, I posted six reasons why we could lose against against Stony Brook on that threat. Change the team and coach names and change "recent" to historical and you at where you're at. That said, I am agreeing because there will be reversion to the mean as it pertains to shooting the ball. Unfortunately, the reason one of the 6 points listed addresses shooting is that reversion to the mean dos not in and by itself exclude "black swans". Black swans in this case encompassing %'s not as much as an outlier as last night. The point being you have to try to keep it close defensively and by second shots etc o that you can steal a win on a night you shouldn't. I love our coaching staff but this also leads me to agree with crd012's commentary directly above yours. I worked for one of the earliest and best system coaches in the game but we always got TACTICAL within the confines of the 40 minutes. The flip side is that you have to take the long view and "dance with what brought ya" (i.e., you can't just throw in the towel every time your system is challenged) if your belief is that your system will be stronger at the end of the year than the beginning and therefore produce the results your trying to achieve. Truly frustrating if you're a fan and want a result every night. All that said, I still can't figure out what the ball screen "philosophy" is. Each team member seems to handle differently and I'm searching for what the key is. We again seemed to get too far off our responsibilities in our weak side help positioning but its almost impossible to really analyze defensive schemes and rotations given streaming video with really static camera angles and virtually no replay. 3-5 and we're coming home. Sojka solves a lot of issues. VT is good and really shoots it at the perimeter (one of our present defensive weaknesses). Chance to improve and get a result. I'd be surprised if this isn't a game settled in the last 1-2 minutes

 
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11-30-17 01:20 PM - Post#238551    
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Obviously the shooting was horrible. 4-27 on threes and barely .500 on FT's although most of the latter is on Foulland. Zach had his worst shooting night in a few years - was way off on the threes and had trouble finishing near the rim. Was fouled a couple of times with no calls and seemingly got a bit frustrated. Moore and O'Reilly both shot poorly as well.

But there were a few positive things as well:

1. Zach had 19 rebounds. To find a Bison with more than 19 in a game, I think you have to at least go back to Butts or Barry. Muscala never had more than 19. Foulland's career best is 13. McNaughton, D. Brown, and others in the scholarship era never came close. Don't think Lalugba did - although it is remotely possible he did it his senior year.

2. Sotos played really well again - although his shooting on threes was off. However he had 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, and no turnovers. Shot 2-3 on twos. He played 27 minutes but would have been over 30 had it not been for foul problems. Meeks also was solid.

3. Bison only had six turnovers - which clearly is good even if the St. Joes defense doesn't put too much pressure on the ball.

4. Bison outrebounded St. Joes. Got 79% of available defensive rebounds and 30% on the offensive boards.


Agree that the Vermont game is likely to be decided in the final minute. Will need to shoot a lot better however. Vermont has a lot of talent and is currently 6-1, with the only loss being a close one on the road vs Kentucky.




 
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11-30-17 01:44 PM - Post#238556    
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I believe Birdsong said Zach had the most rebounds since somebody in 1987. I forget who he said it was but I'm pretty sure he said 87.

 
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11-30-17 02:08 PM - Post#238569    
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the problem with three's other than the lower statistical probability is you rarely get to the line shooting one...more importantly is the number of times it results in a high rebound that leads to a run-out. O'Reilly's often come out high whereas Zach's don't show an equal propensity. I think Bruce is challenged in a 4 out 1 in and you're gonna have start looking at getting him involved through a different set (in Avi & Kimbal's absence). he is not adept at putting the ball on the deck in dribble drive combinations and getting to the hoop (in traffic or not in traffic). also is not a consistent 3 ball shooter and is often erratic in closer range. got to get him in the interior in high/low interchanges with Nana/Zach/Nate S. Nate S would benefit from some 3-2 sets as well. hell, we haven't got Nana a hoop from the high screen & roll all year that I can remember. can't pick and pop with him from there either. all teams exist an injury or two from being a wash-out. we can compete in the interim because we're good but so is everybody else. May not be an easy period with two guys out and high expectations can be a hurdle in and of themselves...we're just spit ballin' as fans...they'll figure it out. separate note, I saw VT-KY...they're talented. Bison are up to the challenge but I don't suspect they're favored as was projected on prior thread.

 
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11-30-17 02:20 PM - Post#238571    
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  • Bucknellbisonfan21 Said:
I believe Birdsong said Zach had the most rebounds since somebody in 1987. I forget who he said it was but I'm pretty sure he said 87.


Thomas had 11 rebounds by halftime and fell one shy of the team’s first 20-rebound game since Eric Hegedus in 1985. http://www.bucknellbison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_O...

 
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11-30-17 03:23 PM - Post#238582    
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  • Old Bison Said:
I worked for one of the earliest and best system coaches in the game

Who was that?


 
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I could tell you but then I would have to shoot you!

If you send me a mail (I don't know how to do internally) I'll let you know but you'll have to wrestle me in the new Graham bldg. We may be able to raise some funds for the program

 
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11-30-17 08:37 PM - Post#238623    
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I'll let you know but you'll have to wrestle me in the new Graham bldg. We may be able to raise some funds for the program


Vegas has you as the early favorite.

 
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11-30-17 09:41 PM - Post#238626    
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I gave you a fist bump on your way into SB. It may have something to do with the extra 6” and 100 lbs. Vegas doesn’t know however you did a lot of wrestling in Hunt way back in the day!

 
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12-01-17 08:46 AM - Post#238635    
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  • Old Bison Said:
Vegas doesn’t know however you did a lot of wrestling in Hunt way back in the day!



Careful, OB, I don't want to see you end up on the front page of the NYT...


 
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12-01-17 09:40 AM - Post#238642    
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It’s why you never see me post on the women’s basketball thread. I’ll leave all that to Pauly and the Bison girls

 
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12-02-17 09:00 PM - Post#238775    
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Villanova defeated St. Joe’s 94-53 at St. Joe’s. We never should have lost to that team.

 
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12-02-17 09:38 PM - Post#238793    
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This is reminding me of the Monmouth game. Hope it has a better ending.

 
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12-03-17 01:29 AM - Post#238861    
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St. Joes is 100% going to be our lost of the year. That team is not good, and we went in there and gave a sad effort. Their rpi is gonna end up in the middle of the pack of the Pat League. That team was simply bad...our performance was worse

 
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12-03-17 09:12 AM - Post#238866    
    In response to crd012

Unfortunately it’s not a park in Jersey City and we just can’t say “let’s run it back”. We got our butts kicked - it’s over.

 
jkrun80 
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12-03-17 10:40 AM - Post#238876    
    In response to Old Bison

In the pre-game interview last night, Coach Davis acknowledged that he didn't coach very well and the players didn't play well. Hopefully, that is out of their system and we see consistent effort from everyone in every game from here on. You saw a different team last night.

 
Bison89 
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12-04-17 01:00 PM - Post#238979    
    In response to Bison137

  • Bison137 Said:


Sotos played really well again - although his shooting on threes was off. However he had 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, and no turnovers. Shot 2-3 on twos. He played 27 minutes but would have been over 30 had it not been for foul problems. Meeks also was solid.




I am finally getting around to commenting on this game due to a very busy last few days. I was sitting 4 rows behind one of the baskets along with a small contingent of Bucknellians. IMO, the team played like that were all hungover. They were slow, did not move well, could not shoot, and did not play team D. I do not know why, but this team does not seem to get fired up for games. Maybe they need some Red Bull before the game.

Sotos moved well, but he was hesitant to shoot. There were a couple of times that he passed up on open looks. He is a freshman. We all need to keep this in mind.

Meeks is interesting. He is very smooth. He does not seem to move fast, but before you know it, he is in a good position to score or rebound. He has lots of potential.

Bucknell should not have lost to St. Joes. That was a VERY bad loss. The coaches really need to think about the teams pre-game ritual and find a way to get them a little more excited about playing.
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
Doktore K 
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Re: St. Joe game
12-04-17 03:52 PM - Post#238994    
    In response to Bison89

Sorry did not get a chance to meet you or other members of the Bison Nation at the game, B89. I was sitting with some other Bison fans in the upper part of the mid-court seats, behind the benches.

That trip to City Line Ave. was about as much fun as going to the King of Prussia Mall the day before Christmas! Traffic nightmare on the edge of Philly and the game was a dud.

Agree with you about Meeks. He is a big, solid forward at 6-6 and has a certain "glide" to his game. He gets to the hoop and is good around the basket. I did not say explosive! Has more potential than what I first expected.

This was a learning experience game for our team, and for the coaches. St. Joe is more athletic and more physical than what we expected. Zach got bumped hard a few times and Moore took a shot in the face. In the second half, we decided to bump back and looked much better.

In terms of what Nova did to St. Joe, a reminder that the Hawks were only down by 4 late in the first half so the 40 point loss is deceiving. Nova has players who are as quick as Stephen Brown but stand 6-4 or 6-7 (Phil Booth and M. Bridges).

We really missed the toughness of Toomer in the game vs. the Hawks.


 
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