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cc66 
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12-01-17 01:17 PM - Post#238681    

Still no Castlin=same starting lineup. KP has us losing by 10, so though we will probably conform to preseason expectations by winning just one of the first seven games, the Albany game is significant as an indication of whether the improved play we saw against Connecticut was a random, one-time event or reflects a genuine trend upward.

Note too, that after Harvard's lost to Northeastern, it has slipped to KP 164, just 24 slots above Columbia. That's the closest we have been to the 4th team in KP's rankings all season.

 
Chet Forte 
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12-01-17 01:29 PM - Post#238683    
    In response to cc66

We were out coached in crunch time against U Conn.


 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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Re: albany
12-01-17 03:46 PM - Post#238698    
    In response to cc66

TeamRankings places Columbia slightly ahead of Harvard

 
LionFan 
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12-01-17 08:17 PM - Post#238720    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Chet, CU definitely was outplayed down the stretch. Not so sure Engels was outcoached.

 
internetter 
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12-02-17 07:47 PM - Post#238771    
    In response to LionFan

Down 3 at the half, as Meisner hit a last-second 3.
west coast fan


 
internetter 
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12-02-17 07:53 PM - Post#238772    
    In response to internetter

Poor shooting by both teams; Lions competing on the glass vs a 7-1 team that usually dominates in rebounds
Meisner didn't score in the first 14 minutes.
Faulds hit a 3.
Smith ineffective.
west coast fan


 
Columbia 37P6 
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12-02-17 07:56 PM - Post#238773    
    In response to internetter

Amazing that we are only down by three points. We look awful. I lost count of the number of turnovers, but it is probably a school record. Of course Albany looks terrible too, which is why the score is what it is.

 
internetter 
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12-02-17 09:00 PM - Post#238809    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

Smith got hot in the second half but not enough, as Lions lost 86-82
Faulds about 18
Many Lions had 4 fouls
Adlesh had 7 in the first, didn't play in second, I think.
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cc66 
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12-02-17 09:13 PM - Post#238819    
    In response to internetter

Career highs by Smith 27, Faulds 17, and Stefanini 11, but once again we blow a 10 point lead with 10 minutes left in the second half to lose 86-82.

The first years are certainly maturing, and Albany away is ranked higher than anyone in the IL. So presuming we start winning at home, we should enter the conference season with many unknowables along with some reason for optimism.

 
hoopsfan 
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12-02-17 09:29 PM - Post#238832    
    In response to internetter

It is always tough to lose when you are up 10 in the second half. But this was a game where the lead changed hands 10 times and in the end their size and athleticism - and our mistakes proved too much.

We did some very good things as a team in this game though. We rebounded even with them, we shot the three well and overall shot better than they did for the game. This was the first game really where you could see the talent that Stefanini has as he went 11/7/3 in 20 minutes only missing one shot. More than that he was confident and creative with and without the ball. He can also really shoot the 3. Faulds went for 17/4 and importantly looked much more confident and aggressive around the hoop. Smith had the first game in a while where he looked like the player from early last year. He had 27 and was 5/9 from 3.

What cost us the game were 10 more fouls than Albany, 7 more to's, and 61% from the foul line to their 82%.

 
Columbia Alum 
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12-02-17 09:33 PM - Post#238836    
    In response to cc66

Tough break, fought hard and kept up with a better team away, leading them for parts. The game was very even throughout, which is encouraging and shows that we are growing in chemistry and freshman experience. Stefanini, bibbs and especially faulds are improving and showing some of their potential. It was an encouraging loss, even if disappointing since we were close. We need to preserve the ball better and shoot better free throws, both things the team can practice and improve on. I see wisdom in Engles's early scheduling, we are getting better by punching against opponents above our weight. Hopefully smith can keep an ORAT near 100 and this isn't just an aberration.

 
Columbia 37P6 
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12-02-17 10:40 PM - Post#238850    
    In response to Columbia Alum

We played much better in the second half which was certainly a coming out party for Faulds and Stefanini. Faulds was outstanding and together with Smith and Stefanini propelled the Lions to a ten-point lead only to see it wither away quickly down the stretch when Albany's two outstanding guards --Cremo and Nichols--destroyed us. Meisner and Faulds neutralized Albany's two powerful front court players for most of the game, but Meisner didn't score much and Tape had a difficult game. Hunter helped some, but still needs to get up court quicker and then play aggressively near the basket all the time. He is just not helpful on the outside Meisner, Adlesh, Hunter and Bibbs need to score a significant number of points for us to win games. In particular, Bibbs clearly has the skills set to be a big-time scorer, but does not seem comfortable yet in the Lion offense. Albany's Cremo is a good example of a high scoring guard who consistently plays from his strength which is why he is so good. Bibbs needs to emulate how Cremo plays. We also have very little depth in the front court without Castlin, Hanson, Brumant, Eberle and Killingworth all of whom were missing again tonight for reasons that haven't been shared with the Columbia Basketball Fan Base. Inasmuch as the relative success of the Lions this season is likely to depend on the availability of Castlin and the contribution of perhaps one or two of the other missing players,the athletic department/coaching staff seems remiss for not keeping the Columbia Basketball Fan Base at least somewhat informed.

 
cc66 
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12-02-17 11:16 PM - Post#238851    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

Were the players you listed on the bench or completely MIA? Brumant may not ready, and Eberle has never played, but there has been a blackout on the status of Castlin and Killingsworth....

 
Dr. V 
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12-03-17 12:12 AM - Post#238859    
    In response to cc66

Neither Castlin nor Killingsworth were dressed. There actually are rules restricting what a school can say about player injuries or sicknesses.

 
Chet Forte 
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12-03-17 07:00 AM - Post#238864    
    In response to Dr. V

Our FT shooting has to improve. Especially when there is a disparity in the calls. 29 FTs for Albany to 18 for us. Seems like we have a “close but no cigar”situation in which there have been upsets which were there for the taking but we cannot quite close the deal.


 
TheLine 
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12-03-17 07:58 AM - Post#238865    
    In response to Chet Forte

Agree with everything said on this thread.

Like the UConn game, I liked the effort and there was a lot to like in the play despite the disappointing finishes. Biggest disappointment was the defense - too helter-skelter with players not in the right place too often.

Smith has the potential to be a big time player. He has tremendous talent. Just has to marshal it some more - for example look for the pass more frequently instead of jacking it up.

Was impressed with Faulds. Would like him to continue to get playing time. A lot to like there.

Stefanini had his moments but also did a bunch of Freshman stuff. Got lost too much on D. Bibbs was comfortable out there but not sure what his role should be relative to others right now - he too did a bunch of Freshman stuff. Would like to see more of Hunter.

Weak game from Meisner. We needed something closer to the Meisner who showed up for UConn.


 
Dr. V 
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12-03-17 09:19 AM - Post#238872    
    In response to TheLine

Wouldn't exactly call leading both teams with 11 boards and, surprisingly, with 6 assists a "weak" game for Meisner. He got fewer chances to shoot because, after UConn, Albany was focused on him.

 
TheLine 
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12-03-17 11:46 AM - Post#238889    
    In response to Dr. V

Fair enough. Advanced metrics agree with you. I was disappointed because Meisner didn't have much of an impact down the stretch. Smith rose to occasion but it wasn't enough.

The main culprit for the loss was the team's defense.


 
Chet Forte 
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12-03-17 11:55 AM - Post#238890    
    In response to TheLine

I think we can legitimately ask about the in game coaching of the current staff. We have lost 6 close games. We won the one game that we should have won. Most of the losses were winnable but we didn’t get it done in crunch time. How much of that is due to coaching as opposed to performance is an open question. I think we have some really good talent. For me, it is up to Engles to maximize it. And I think that we have too many guys getting heavy playing time who aren’t going to score enough to justify their minutes.


 
LionFan 
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albany
12-03-17 01:52 PM - Post#238904    
    In response to Chet Forte

Agreeing with most of the points made. Difficulty getting over the hump in close games is a hallmark of young teams. That CU didn't fold when momentum went against it against good teams in the last two games might be a sign of progress. One can point to almost anything as causing a close loss, but here despite the turnover and foul disparities and everything else, CU gave up 6 uncontested breakaway points on lazy passes out near the halfcourt line. No excuse for that and easily correctable. Also, Faulds' and Stefanini's efficient scoring was encouraging. If another big body can step up it would help. I thought that would have been Brumant, but who knows? Re Meisner, his 4 fouls must have had an effect on his agressiveness at both ends down the stretch.

Edited by LionFan on 12-03-17 01:54 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Columbia 37P6 
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12-03-17 05:15 PM - Post#238917    
    In response to LionFan

Dr. V is correct, of course, in citing the privacy rules as the primary reason why colleges are reluctant to disseminate information regarding player injuries and the like. However, I do not believe that the privacy rules prohibit college players, their teammates or their families from voluntarily speaking to whomever they wish including the press, radio and tv announcers, fans and others. Maybe I'm mistaken, but it seems as if Columbia basketball fans have less current information on Castlin's injury then has been available to Columbia fans regarding other injured players in the past. Also, I may be mistaken, but it seems as if Yale fans know more about Mason and Brunner's injuries than we know of Castlin and perhaps others.

 
cc66 
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12-03-17 06:04 PM - Post#238918    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

I think what you are seeing is part of a general trend. Although it is certainly true that Columbia does not have to tell us what ails Castlin and Killingsworth, its failure to do so departs from past practices. We knew what happened to Rosenberg, what happened to Agho, and even last year, what happened to Castlin himself. For some reason, Engles just doesn't want to release this information. And when you combine this withholding with the cancellation of the annual pre-season basketball dinner, an even larger pattern emerges.

 
SomeGuy 
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12-03-17 07:39 PM - Post#238921    
    In response to Chet Forte

In regard to playing guys who can't score, it was the defense that was the problem yesterday, and in a couple other games. I'm sure there are mixes that would score more, but as is often the case for Columbia, finding a combination that gives up less seems to me to be more important.

 
Chet Forte 
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12-03-17 07:39 PM - Post#238922    
    In response to cc66

Engles is the anti-Bagnoli. No media savvy and no interest in the fan base.


 
SRP 
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12-03-17 10:19 PM - Post#238928    
    In response to Chet Forte

I sense a hardening narrative here. Engles better start winning...

 
cc66 
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12-03-17 10:45 PM - Post#238930    
    In response to SRP

I think he will win. And certainly, if I have to choose, I'd take wins over hand-holding. If we get neither, however, he won't have many fuzzy good feelings among the alums to fall back on.

 
internetter 
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12-03-17 10:59 PM - Post#238931    
    In response to SomeGuy

Poor foul shooting has been a consistent proble

west coast fan


 
internetter 
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12-03-17 10:59 PM - Post#238932    
    In response to internetter

http://www.nycbuckets.com/2017/12/columbias-sea son...
west coast fan


 
Dr. V 
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12-04-17 11:22 AM - Post#238973    
    In response to SRP

That's a silly comment. Engles has had one recruiting class.

 
LionFan 
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12-04-17 12:44 PM - Post#238986    
    In response to Dr. V

Concerning wins and losses, Sagarin has Columbia's strength of schedule so far at number 22, well above any other Ivy. Much more aggressive than Smith's scheduling. Engles has thrown his young team into a crucible. The next stretch has lower level opponents, so we'll get a preview of whether it will pay off.

Interestingly, going by Sagarin's ratings, each of the Ivy top five would be predicted to split with each other and sweep the bottom three. And the bottom three would be predicted to split with each other and lose two to the top five. So, Yale, Harvard, Penn, P'ton and Columbia would be 10-4 and Brown, Cornell and D'mouth 2-12. That would be a fun season to watch, unlikely as it is.

 
SRP 
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12-04-17 01:08 PM - Post#238989    
    In response to LionFan

Dr. V, I agree with you. Just noting the sour tone on the board about Engles's lack of fan-friendliness.

 
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