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12-04-17 08:37 PM - Post#239022
Bucknell Game Article:
Zach Thomas Wins Third PL Player of Week Honor; Bison at Northeastern Tuesday
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Bison137
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12-04-17 08:39 PM - Post#239024
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As noted above, Zach won his third POW award, ironically in a week where he had one of the worst shooting nights of his Bison career. However he did so many other things over the week - and against strong opposition - that he is clearly the right choice.
"He averaged 19.5 points, 14.0 rebounds and 3.0 assists against Saint Joseph's and Vermont last week. Thomas currently ranks sixth in the nation in scoring at 24.1 points per game, and he has eclipsed the 20-point mark in seven of the team's nine games thus far."
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12-04-17 08:43 PM - Post#239025
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The Bison are a 1-point favorite per Pomeroy. They are 4-4, including wins over Boston U and Harvard. Their four losses were to Stanford, Ohio State, Utah State, and Furman. Fwiw, they are 3-0 in home games.
Will have to play well to come home with a win, particularly after the 6+ hour bus ride.
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12-05-17 09:04 AM - Post#239087
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These mid-week road trips are tough, as we saw last week. Hopefully, they're motivated after beating Vermont.
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Bison89
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12-05-17 09:21 AM - Post#239093
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80, I could not agree more. The starters need to be focused and excited about playing. If they just go through the motions, we could have another first half like St. Joes.
This is a Senior dominated team. It is time for the Seniors to lead.
GO BISON!!!
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Bison137
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12-05-17 11:01 AM - Post#239099
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I think making shots (or missing shots) colors our perception about other parts of their game. Had they hit an average pct of their shots vs St. Joes, they would have had 30 more points and possibly won easily. That's without changing anything else. As it is, BU outrebounded St. Joes, BU held them to less points per possession than their average, and BU only had six turnovers (one of their best turnover stats in years). But they hit a below-average pct of two point attempts, hit a below-average pct from the line, and had one of their worst nights in the past 15 years from behind the arc: 4-27 on what were mostly open looks. Against Vermont, they hit 11-24 on the same kind of threes.
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DoCtoR62
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12-05-17 12:18 PM - Post#239108
In response to Bison137
I think making shots (or missing shots) colors our perception about other parts of their game. Had they hit an average pct of their shots vs St. Joes, they would have had 30 more points and possibly won easily. That's without changing anything else. As it is, BU outrebounded St. Joes, BU held them to less points per possession than their average, and BU only had six turnovers (one of their best turnover stats in years). But they hit a below-average pct of two point attempts, hit a below-average pct from the line, and had one of their worst nights in the past 15 years from behind the arc: 4-27 on what were mostly open looks. Against Vermont, they hit 11-24 on the same kind of threes.
The fact is no previous Bison team had a month of November like this group had. While we would like for them to be physically and mentally prepared for each game, that doesn't happen for any team at any level. It is one thing to play guarantee games for the $$$, but to play at the competitive level the Bison did vs UNC and Maryland, teams much bigger, stronger and faster, is going to have an impact. Then, they came home to play two competitive programs on little rest, followed by a five-hour bus ride to Stony Brook to play a quality team.
When healthy, this team is as talented from players 1-through-8 as any we have ever had. I appreciate watching them whenever I can from afar, and I marvel at the consistency of this program over the years. Not too many like it. If our senior biomedical engineer has an off night in December, I'm willing to live with it.
Edited by DoCtoR62 on 12-05-17 12:19 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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res
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12-05-17 01:34 PM - Post#239120
In response to DoCtoR62
A win on March 15 and maybe another on March 17, and you guys will all forget St. Joe's and Monmouth.
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12-05-17 02:05 PM - Post#239121
In response to res
While open to debate regarding past teams with more talent, agree that the YTD performance is not worth getting upset about. For several years, the Bison has been built to win the Patriot League, no more or less. Our best in league talent does not lend itself to out of league performance where more physical/athletic play typically wins games. Many of us have had to compromise and be happy simply for winning a slot in the Big Dance. I enjoy watching the current team and look forward to watching the 1st round of their NCAA performance.
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12-05-17 02:50 PM - Post#239124
In response to res
A win on March 15 and maybe another on March 17, and you guys will all forget St. Joe's and Monmouth.
Res, very well said. The year that we beat Kansas, I remember being very disappointed after attending a loss at American. So, yes, a win in The Dance and all prior losses are largely fogotten.
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12-05-17 03:06 PM - Post#239125
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Does anybody know if the webcast is free?
https://portal.stretchinternet.com/northeastern/po...
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bison63
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12-05-17 03:23 PM - Post#239127
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Do not know for sure, but I am guessing if there were a charge, the pregame Bucknell article would have said so.
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BisonFan4
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12-05-17 04:57 PM - Post#239134
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From my understanding it is free
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bison63
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12-05-17 05:40 PM - Post#239138
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Btw, article says game is on NESN+, but it appears to be on basic NESN on my cable (FIOS). This in addition to the stream.
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Paulie777
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12-05-17 07:28 PM - Post#239146
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It would be nice to win on an away court. I think with a solid overall performance they will get the win. My prediction is Zach gets 22, Nana gets 20. Robertson gets in and has a good game. Sotos and Brown play a solid game and Moore has a breakout 20 plus point game. 82-74 Bucknell.
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MrPhillie
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12-05-17 08:15 PM - Post#239148
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Watching his webcast on my TV and it is one of the best picture I’ve ever had with this setup. Playing pretty well early aside from some defensive blunders where guys were left wide open. Lastly, the crowd is pathetic.
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HuskyColonial
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12-05-17 08:29 PM - Post#239149
In response to MrPhillie
Are the officials gassed? Lots of BS whistles. And some silly fouls by the Bison.
Edited by HuskyColonial on 12-05-17 08:31 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Paulie777
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12-05-17 08:43 PM - Post#239151
In response to HuskyColonial
Good energy and hustle but a little careless on both sides of the ball. We have a green light defense so if we don't score they just get back in the game. Nana hit another jumpshot! If Bucknell can shore things up the will fare a lot better.
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Bucknellbisonfan21
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12-05-17 08:47 PM - Post#239152
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Awful defense, too much overhelping. Coach Davis needs to shorten the bench in the second half, players will have plenty of time to rest during finals break.
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MrPhillie
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12-05-17 08:52 PM - Post#239154
In response to Bucknellbisonfan21
Frankly, we are fortunate NE has not shot well from 3 as they missed many wide open looks. Whether it is due to guys overhelping or guys just not taking care of their assignment, we give up a ton of wide open shots...I’ve seen that many times before. And we are not shooting well from 3 again. Also it may just be me, but it seems like Zach struggles in traffic inside.
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12-05-17 08:56 PM - Post#239156
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Definitely need to tighten up the defense. Then maybe they can run and get some easy baskets. Really off on the 3 point shooting again tonight. And why is O'Reilly playing? He's been awful the last few games. Let's hope they fix things at halftime.
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HuskyColonial
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12-05-17 08:58 PM - Post#239157
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This team has decided tonight that defense is optional. So many uncontested shots and looks.
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crd012
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12-05-17 08:59 PM - Post#239158
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Our defensive rebounding continues to be an issue. We let opposing teams get way too many second chance points. At this point I don’t know if this will ever change.
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Paulie777
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12-05-17 09:04 PM - Post#239159
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Flannery certainly isn't watching this. If he tried, he'd have to turn it off and rent a movie or something. Not his style thats for sure.
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HuskyColonial
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12-05-17 09:07 PM - Post#239160
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This is the Thomas of last year. Force, force, force. As if he’s the only option on offense. And Thomas had been beyond
splendid this season. It’s just another night with no apparent coaching and poor shooting.
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HuskyColonial
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12-05-17 09:11 PM - Post#239161
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This is embarrassing
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MrPhillie
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12-05-17 09:13 PM - Post#239162
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Also, we have very little inside presence on defense. From what I’ve seen so far this season, if we are not shooting well from 3 or getting to the foul line, we have little chance at winning. I’m certainly no coach, but when things are not going well in either side of the ball, it’s difficult to discern many in-game adjustments by the coaching staff. At least they do not obviously show themselves in these kinds of games.
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bison63
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12-05-17 09:14 PM - Post#239163
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Looks like another St Joes.
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HuskyColonial
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12-05-17 09:31 PM - Post#239166
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This is a pathetic effort. I’m sorry. Regardless of shooting, the defense is silly.
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bison63
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12-05-17 09:37 PM - Post#239167
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This is not the team we thought it was, plain and simple!
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MrPhillie
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12-05-17 09:37 PM - Post#239168
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I don’t know how you go from a string of decent efforts to a collossal failure at St. Joe’s, to a great effort against Vermont, to this terrible effort at NE. Injuries or not I’d think some leadership would come through from all of our experience to not allow such flops. NE is doing whatever they want...with ease. Our on the ball defense doesn’t look good, help defense is poor, we often look slow and out of place. Oh well, it is what it is. Hopefully we can still win the PL.
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HuskyColonial
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12-05-17 09:40 PM - Post#239169
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They look lost. Maybe they’re lackadaisical believing they can turn it on when it matters? I don’t know. Are Avi and Kimbal that important? Seems so.
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12-05-17 09:45 PM - Post#239171
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I just haven’t seen a lot tonite that can be considered good. Only six assists with under 4:00 to play, 1-11 from 3...but just horrible defense. Guys wide open, lack of ability to guard off the dribble or challenge shots to any degree of effectiveness.
Edited by MrPhillie on 12-05-17 09:49 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Bison89
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12-05-17 09:45 PM - Post#239172
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Who coaches D on this team? Nana is guarding players 20' from the rim with nobody back to block shots. To score against Bucknell, all you have to do is one of two things: 1. Swing it around by the 3rd pass, there will be a wide open 3 pointer, or 2. Penetrate and kick out for a wide open shot. DEFENSE is nonexistent.
VERY disappointing
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12-05-17 09:47 PM - Post#239174
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I always think that myself. I don’t understand the concept, but we severely lack inside presence yet have Nana out at the top of the key on D. 25-32 on two point shots...that is just awful. We’re lucky NE shot (and missed) so many 3’s.
Edited by MrPhillie on 12-05-17 09:52 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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HuskyColonial
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12-05-17 09:58 PM - Post#239177
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I don’t think any of this is off point either. Basketball isn’t football in terms of the inaccuracy of arm chair coaching. While shots falling always makes a difference, the effort and execution of the defense tonight was abysmal. And fra
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12-05-17 09:58 PM - Post#239178
In response to MrPhillie
I always think that myself. I don’t understand the concept, but we severely lack inside presence yet have Nana out at the top of the key on D. 25-32 on two point shots...that is just awful. We’re lucky NE shot (and missed) so many 3’s.
I agree. Nana should never be more than 5 ft from the basket no matter where his man is. I don't know what the defensive concept is here, but it's not working even when we win. So many things to question here, but there's no point. There are really only three games that matter on March 1, 4, & 7. But if they have an off night shooting the ball in any one of those games they're toast.
This was worse than St Joe's. At least they showed some fight in the 2nd half at St. Joe's. Every time they seemed to get some momentum tonight, the defense imploded.
Edited by jkrun80 on 12-05-17 10:00 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Paulie777
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12-05-17 10:01 PM - Post#239179
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This is middle school defense. I've said it before Nana was way outside when he needs to be where his strength is-guarding the rim. O'Reilly makes Azzinaro look like Bryson Johnson. Take him out. With Sotos and Brown and Foulland and Zach, the weak link is the coach. Make these guys stars which they are, not playing where they don't belong!
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BisonFan4
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12-05-17 10:26 PM - Post#239184
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I agree with most of what's been said regarding tonight's performance. On a side note, I finally got to see something I've been questioning since the injuries with the lineup...Zach Nana & Nate on the court together. With Sestina's production in his limited time on the court, out only makes sense to me to utilize him more. I won't be surprised if we have a new starting lineup for VCU & on
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12-05-17 10:33 PM - Post#239185
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I agree with most of what's been said regarding tonight's performance. On a side note, I finally got to see something I've been questioning since the injuries with the lineup...Zach Nana & Nate on the court together. With Sestina's production in his limited time on the court, out only makes sense to me to utilize him more. I won't be surprised if we have a new starting lineup for VCU & on
Don't think that's a great lineup for more than a few minutes a game. Nate's developing into a great 6th man and that's the better fit for him right now. I'm not the coach, but I'd start Jones, maybe Meeks, over Moore right now. Bruce is a great shot blocker, but gets lost on defense far too often. He did zero on offense tonight. Hopefully, Avi is back for PL play. That would shore up the defense a lot.
Edited by jkrun80 on 12-05-17 10:35 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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MrPhillie
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12-05-17 10:54 PM - Post#239186
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Not sure I’d use the word “great†when describing Moore’s shot-blocking ability, but I agree he was virtually non-existent tonite. I’d love to be wrong but I just do not see anything close to an All-PL type of player (as some fans and Coach Davis predict) in him. He can be a solid contributor.
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HuskyColonial
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12-06-17 07:08 AM - Post#239199
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Bruce hasn’t shown a lot as a starter. Sad but true. I guess we need to maintain perspective here: We are down two starters.
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12-06-17 12:30 PM - Post#239219
In response to HuskyColonial
I like to see Nana, Zac, and Nate on the court together! I Think Nate is getting better every game and needs to stay in longer!
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bison63
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12-06-17 12:32 PM - Post#239220
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Yes, Husky, the return of Avi and K-Mac will help, BUT we have seen terrible defense for 10 games now plus Towson. When asked about the brutal sked CND’s typical response is that playing quality teams will win show us our weak areas so we can fix them. We knew we had a problem after Towson, and subsequent gamrs have only reinforced that. WHERE IS THE FIX. This team does not stop the other team from scoring.
Losing to NE and St Joes on the road is not in itself unforgivable, but losing the way we did is. This team is not as good as it was last year, and I for one wonder why.
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12-06-17 12:52 PM - Post#239226
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Losing to NE and St Joes on the road is not in itself unforgivable, but losing the way we did is. This team is not as good as it was last year, and I for one wonder why.
+1
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HuskyColonial
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12-06-17 04:09 PM - Post#239244
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I agree bison63. Something is a miss and playing lesser talented teams in League play isn’t a fix
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