Cvonvorys
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12-06-17 12:52 PM - Post#239227
In response to Stuart Suss
Stat to remember while watching tonight's game:
Penn's record this season when Darnell has 10 or more field goal attempts: 0-4.
Penn's record this season when Darnell has 9 or fewer field goal attempts: 6-0.
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Silver Maple
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12-06-17 12:53 PM - Post#239228
In response to Cvonvorys
So, in addition to chasing Lafayette's shooters off the 3 pt line, we have to chase Darnell off as well?
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TheLine
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12-06-17 01:28 PM - Post#239232
In response to Silver Maple
I think the key is to not get into a situation where Darnell feels he needs to play the hero.
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yoyo
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12-06-17 01:37 PM - Post#239233
In response to TheLine
that should go for the remainder of the season too
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Penndemonium
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12-06-17 02:35 PM - Post#239236
In response to Cvonvorys
That was my main issue with Darnell. I've written before about how he has historically slowed down the ball movement, doesn't have great vision, and also misses the shots when he penetrates (which he does decently). I've noticed some improvement in the Monmouth and Howard games, but I'd like to see more of what he does under pressure. Or more to the point, I'd like to see him do a bit less and keep the offense moving.
Stat to remember while watching tonight's game:
Penn's record this season when Darnell has 10 or more field goal attempts: 0-4.
Penn's record this season when Darnell has 9 or fewer field goal attempts: 6-0.
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palestra38
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12-06-17 02:56 PM - Post#239238
In response to Stuart Suss
I am pretty sure this is Channel 55 on Comcast here in Philadelphia
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TheLine
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12-06-17 02:58 PM - Post#239239
In response to Penndemonium
Darnell runs the fast break well and plays better in up-tempo games. Slower half-court games are another matter. Movement and spacing tend to bog down in particular when he and Antonio are in the game together.
Darnell is better at finishing near the hoop than Antonio is, though Antonio is better at getting near the hoop so it's close to a wash between the two. It would help if either were better at finishing or at outside shooting.
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PennFan10
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12-06-17 03:49 PM - Post#239242
In response to Silver Maple
So, in addition to chasing Lafayette's shooters off the 3 pt line, we have to chase Darnell off as well?
I would love to see AJ block one of Darnell's 3 pt attempts!
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penn nation
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12-06-17 04:12 PM - Post#239245
In response to TheLine
It would help if either were better at finishing or at outside shooting.
To say nothing about shooting from the charity stripe.
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palestra38
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12-06-17 04:15 PM - Post#239246
In response to penn nation
But we've been defending the FT pretty well, which makes up for that somewhat
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TheLine
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12-06-17 05:09 PM - Post#239247
In response to palestra38
Foreman is second best regular at FT% at .711. That isn't a major issue in his game.
Overall the team is shooting FTs at a .620 clip. Yikes.
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Silver Maple
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12-06-17 05:13 PM - Post#239248
In response to TheLine
They may be hitting at 62%, but it feels like 25%.
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SteveChop
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12-06-17 05:18 PM - Post#239249
In response to palestra38
I know that Mike has written about this but I still don't understand what "free throw defense" means (other than that little move AJ does which caused Monmouth guys to be in the lane too soon 3 times).
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Penndemonium
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12-06-17 05:44 PM - Post#239250
In response to TheLine
I haven't seen enough games with Antonio Woods to really understand how he affects the flow of a game. In the 3 games I've seen this season, I don't see a clear impact. With Foreman, I can draw a bit from last year and a bit from this year. Tiebreaker goes to Foreman for playing time if Caleb Wood starts to get in the mix more.
Wood would help the offense quite a bit. I like what he did shooting the 3, and then cutting to the hoop for backdoor passes when they overplayed him.
Darnell runs the fast break well and plays better in up-tempo games. Slower half-court games are another matter. Movement and spacing tend to bog down in particular when he and Antonio are in the game together.
Darnell is better at finishing near the hoop than Antonio is, though Antonio is better at getting near the hoop so it's close to a wash between the two. It would help if either were better at finishing or at outside shooting.
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palestra38
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12-06-17 05:47 PM - Post#239251
In response to Penndemonium
There is no question that Wood should get serious PT with the way he is playing. He adds another dimension to the Penn offense.
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penn nation
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12-06-17 05:57 PM - Post#239253
In response to TheLine
Foreman is second best regular at FT% at .711. That isn't a major issue in his game.
It is, actually. For a PG, a career FT% of 71% is not great. He was 75.8% his freshman year but has only shot 70-71% every year after that.
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Cvonvorys
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12-06-17 06:02 PM - Post#239255
In response to palestra38
So to clarify my statement on Darnell, I like him and think he's the best point guard on the team right now. My criticism is that I would want to see him trying to make those around him better, i.e., more assists and less shots. Can he penetrate and then instead of shooting, kick the ball out to an open Betley, Wood, Donahue, Jones, Scott, etc.? Am I being unfair?
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Streamers
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12-06-17 06:39 PM - Post#239257
In response to palestra38
There is no question that Wood should get serious PT with the way he is playing. He adds another dimension to the Penn offense.
I’m not convinced yet. I’d like to see him put up points against a good team that takes him seriously on defense. At least he isn’t turning the ball over as much.
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palestra38
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12-06-17 06:43 PM - Post#239258
In response to Streamers
I agree that the jury is out whether he can play against the more athletic teams like our Big 5 opponents, but if used as an offensive secret weapon, it should help us even if he gives up something on defense as long as he doesn't turn it over as he did last year.
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TheLine
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12-06-17 06:46 PM - Post#239259
In response to Cvonvorys
Yes and no.
We play a motion half court offense where the ball goes through the center a lot. It's not entirely the guards' responsibility to generate the assists.
Watch Foreman and Woods run the break. Both of them are decent passers.
The problem with both is that neither is enough of a threat driving to the hoop or hitting a 3 and the defenses play them accordingly. Your criticism is valid in this respect.
I'd rather see more of Wood and perhaps Jones, less of Foreman/Woods.
PN, I agree 71% isn't great but it is averagish for a college player and it's not like it's bringing the team average down.
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