penn nation
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12-07-17 05:46 PM - Post#239562
In our 10 DI games, Penn's FT% currently sits at 60.1%--12.5 makes per game.
This ranks 344th out of 351 DI schools.
Ivy leader: Brown at 78.4% (17th)--21.0 makes per game.
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Old Bear
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12-07-17 08:19 PM - Post#239583
In response to penn nation
College age may be a little late to try to make material changes in FT shooting fundamentals and results. There are more notable failures than successes.
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penn nation
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12-07-17 08:58 PM - Post#239587
In response to Old Bear
True, but DNH is a recent success story.
It's hard to recall a Penn team, though, that has had so many players who have fallen short in this area.
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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FT shooting 12-08-17 10:11 AM - Post#239609
In response to penn nation
True, but DNH is a recent success story.
Fran Dougherty is another.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/fran-...
As is Ugonna Onyekwe.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/ugonn...
Seems to me that free throw shooting IS something that can be improved upon.
Edited by T.P.F.K.A.D.W. on 12-08-17 10:13 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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rbg
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12-08-17 10:35 AM - Post#239612
In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
FWIW, I went looking at Brown's FT% during and just before the Mike Martin Era started in 2012-2013
2017-2018: 78%
2016-2017: 76%
2015-2016: 70%
2014-2015: 69%
2013-2014: 67%
2012-2013: 63%
2011-2012: 63%
I haven't looked closely enough at those numbers to know if the players in his earlier years improved over time due to the staff's teaching and/or the recruited athletes arrived with stronger FT skills.
Maybe someone from the Brown board knows more about how they improved drastically over the last few years.
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penn nation
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12-08-17 11:01 AM - Post#239616
In response to rbg
Depends on the situation, but it can take as little as having one really good FT shooter who gets to the line a lot.
With Brown, it appears Spieth drove this a lot, as did Blackmon.
Certainly Rosen did with Penn--the rest of the team wasn't all that impressive but his stats were so good that the team as a whole didn't look so bad.
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12-08-17 11:25 AM - Post#239621
In response to penn nation
My feeling is that you can get by with some lousy free throw shooters on your team, as long as your PG isn't one of them. And maybe your SG too. If neither of those guys is an excellent FT shooter, you're virtually guaranteed to lose a bunch of close games at the line. So, put another way, if there were ONE thing that I could magically change about Darnell Forman right now, it would be his FT shooting.
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12-08-17 11:35 AM - Post#239623
In response to Silver Maple
That said, Foreman is in the top 15 in the league in FT%. It is magnified when you don't make front end of 1 and 1's at the end of games. So I would prefer Darnell magically improves his FT shooting in those situations! Even making the front end of a 1 and 1 at the end of a game and missing the second one is an improvement I would take.
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penn nation
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12-08-17 11:42 AM - Post#239625
In response to PennFan10
That said, Foreman is in the top 15 in the league in FT%.
Considering he is shooting 66.6% in his 10 DI games, I highly doubt he's even in the Top 75.
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12-08-17 11:46 AM - Post#239626
In response to Silver Maple
It's a testament to the rest of his game that despite having horrible FG%, 3 pt FG% and FT% he is a starting guard. He doesn't turn the ball over, he has the ability at times to finish around the basket, he is a good rebounding guard and--when avoiding the tendency to launch shots--is a decent floor general.
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TheLine
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12-08-17 12:23 PM - Post#239630
In response to penn nation
That said, Foreman is in the top 15 in the league in FT%.
Considering he is shooting 66.6% in his 10 DI games, I highly doubt he's even in the Top 75.
I wonder if D-I teams are better at defending FTs than D-III teams.
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palestra38
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12-08-17 12:24 PM - Post#239631
In response to TheLine
I think we should choose to have Caleb shoot 3s, instead of having a bunch of our guys shooting FTs
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PennFan10
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12-08-17 12:38 PM - Post#239633
In response to penn nation
FREE THROW PCT
1. Hunsaker, Zach-BRWN
2. Cannady, Devin-PRIN
3. Gettings, Stone-COR
4. Anderson, Brandon-BRWN
5. Morgan, Matt-COR
6. Cambridge, Desmond-BRWN
7. Oni, Miye-YALE
8. Aiken, Bryce-HARV
9. SMITH, Mike-COL
10. Betley, Ryan-PENN
11. Knight, Chris-DART
12. HICKMAN, Nate-COL
13. Towns, Seth-HARV
14. Bell, Amir-PRIN SR
15. Foreman, Darnell-PENN
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12-08-17 12:39 PM - Post#239634
In response to penn nation
PN, minor thing but while I want to strip out the non-D1 stats as much as the next guy, I'm not sure you need to do with free throw rate. Unless the pressure is just SO much less, it's a free throw stripe. I feel those data points are just as relevant as what he shot against Howard or whatever.
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PennFan10
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12-08-17 12:40 PM - Post#239635
In response to PennFan10
Darnell leads the league in Assist/TO ratio as well at 2.1. Mike Smith is the only other player over 2.0 in the league. I think that is simply a testament to the fact that Darnell doesn't turn the ball over much, which is obviously a good thing.
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PennFan10
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12-08-17 12:41 PM - Post#239636
In response to palestra38
I think we should choose to have Caleb shoot 3s, instead of having a bunch of our guys shooting FTs
This is a brilliant strategy! Similar % and worth more points.
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penn nation
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FT shooting 12-08-17 12:47 PM - Post#239638
In response to Jeff2sf
PN, minor thing but while I want to strip out the non-D1 stats as much as the next guy, I'm not sure you need to do with free throw rate. Unless the pressure is just SO much less, it's a free throw stripe. I feel those data points are just as relevant as what he shot against Howard or whatever.
All things being equal, it's probably easier to shoot FTs playing against PS--Brandwyne than against Nova.
Edited by penn nation on 12-08-17 12:54 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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TheLine
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12-08-17 12:51 PM - Post#239639
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Because the Nova FTs are with the game on the line?
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palestra38
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12-08-17 12:52 PM - Post#239640
In response to TheLine
No, but they were shaking that whole building. Atmosphere this year in the Palestra? Uh, less active
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penn nation
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12-08-17 12:52 PM - Post#239641
In response to PennFan10
FREE THROW PCT
1. Hunsaker, Zach-BRWN
2. Cannady, Devin-PRIN
3. Gettings, Stone-COR
4. Anderson, Brandon-BRWN
5. Morgan, Matt-COR
6. Cambridge, Desmond-BRWN
7. Oni, Miye-YALE
8. Aiken, Bryce-HARV
9. SMITH, Mike-COL
10. Betley, Ryan-PENN
11. Knight, Chris-DART
12. HICKMAN, Nate-COL
13. Towns, Seth-HARV
14. Bell, Amir-PRIN SR
15. Foreman, Darnell-PENN
I am guessing that the total denominator of qualified shooters is sufficiently small in this chart...don't know what the minimum # of FTs per game is for what you've posted here.
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