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Username Post: FT shooting        (Topic#20807)
TheLine 
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12-08-17 01:56 PM - Post#239661    
    In response to penn nation

LOL, Darnell was 3-4 vs. Nova.

If you want to pick on him then how about 3 pt shooting? Hasn't hit any since Towson. Looks tight as a drum.


 
PennFan10 
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12-08-17 02:17 PM - Post#239665    
    In response to penn nation

  • penn nation Said:
  • PennFan10 Said:
FREE THROW PCT
1. Hunsaker, Zach-BRWN
2. Cannady, Devin-PRIN
3. Gettings, Stone-COR
4. Anderson, Brandon-BRWN
5. Morgan, Matt-COR
6. Cambridge, Desmond-BRWN
7. Oni, Miye-YALE
8. Aiken, Bryce-HARV
9. SMITH, Mike-COL
10. Betley, Ryan-PENN
11. Knight, Chris-DART
12. HICKMAN, Nate-COL
13. Towns, Seth-HARV
14. Bell, Amir-PRIN SR
15. Foreman, Darnell-PENN



I am guessing that the total denominator of qualified shooters is sufficiently small in this chart...don't know what the minimum # of FTs per game is for what you've posted here.






Could be that better shooters don't have enough to register, though the smallest number of attempts on the list is 18 and the most is 90. Anderson from Brown has 90, Aiken 70, Mike Smith 42 and Darnell 41. 3 on this list have 18-22 attempts. Here is the link to Ivy Stats page:

http://static.ivyleague.com/custompages/sports/mb k...

 
Old Bear 
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Re: FTs
12-08-17 02:41 PM - Post#239677    
    In response to rbg

  • rbg Said:
FWIW, I went looking at Brown's FT% during and just before the Mike Martin Era started in 2012-2013

2017-2018: 78%
2016-2017: 76%
2015-2016: 70%
2014-2015: 69%
2013-2014: 67%
2012-2013: 63%

2011-2012: 63%

I haven't looked closely enough at those numbers to know if the players in his earlier years improved over time due to the staff's teaching and/or the recruited athletes arrived with stronger FT skills.

Maybe someone from the Brown board knows more about how they improved drastically over the last few years.





I think its a matter of who gets the shots. If you have a poor FT shooter who gets fouled a lot, that's a problem. This year Brown has three really good FT shooters, Hunsacker, Anderson and Cambridge (Spieth last year) who have the ball a lot and get fouled. A few players do improve over college experience, most don't. I know the MM emphasizes FT shooting in practice, butI doubt that Brown practices more or better than other teams.

 
penn nation 
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FT shooting
12-08-17 03:20 PM - Post#239690    
    In response to PennFan10

The basic point being that Foreman isn't even Top 5 on his own team, well, actually he is, but that's damning praise for sure which has one of the worst DI FT%s.

So if you can concoct a stat that somehow shows him to be Top 15 Ivy....that stat is pretty meaningless IMHO.

Edited by penn nation on 12-08-17 03:23 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
palestra38 
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12-08-17 03:31 PM - Post#239696    
    In response to TheLine

Forget FTs...that 3 point shot is key. Foreman is only 13% so far---4 for 29. Beyond awful. We'e shooting better from halfcourt for the $5000 bucks at halftime.

But our defense is better this year.

 
TheLine 
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Re: FT shooting
12-08-17 03:35 PM - Post#239698    
    In response to penn nation

But PN, the stat is a FT% leaderboard for the league. What else would you like to use?

Are we so used to crapping on players that we just crap on them regardless?

Or is this a #FakeNews thing I'm not getting and the joke's on me?


 
yoyo 
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FT shooting
12-08-17 03:46 PM - Post#239701    
    In response to PennFan10

  • PennFan10 Said:
Darnell leads the league in Assist/TO ratio as well at 2.1. Mike Smith is the only other player over 2.0 in the league. I think that is simply a testament to the fact that Darnell doesn't turn the ball over much, which is obviously a good thing. [/quote


unless you start counting air balls from 5' a turnover

Edited by yoyo on 12-08-17 03:47 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
PennFan10 
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Re: FT shooting
12-08-17 04:26 PM - Post#239705    
    In response to penn nation

  • penn nation Said:
The basic point being that Foreman isn't even Top 5 on his own team, well, actually he is, but that's damning praise for sure which has one of the worst DI FT%s.

So if you can concoct a stat that somehow shows him to be Top 15 Ivy....that stat is pretty meaningless IMHO.



As stated, this isn't my stat, it's not concocted, it's from the Ivy League stat board. I didn't put his name on there. If it were up to me I would have only listed the top 14.

 
PennFan10 
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Re: FT shooting
12-08-17 04:28 PM - Post#239706    
    In response to yoyo

  • yoyo Said:
  • PennFan10 Said:
Darnell leads the league in Assist/TO ratio as well at 2.1. Mike Smith is the only other player over 2.0 in the league. I think that is simply a testament to the fact that Darnell doesn't turn the ball over much, which is obviously a good thing. [/quote


unless you start counting air balls from 5' a turnover



Rabbit hole. I get your point but we count blocked shots as shots and airballs as shots and contested 3's that result in layups at the other end as shots....all of these function as turnovers no?


 
TheLine 
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Re: FT shooting
12-08-17 04:35 PM - Post#239709    
    In response to PennFan10

Plus it's double counting - a missed shot shows up in FG% as it should.

But I think Foreman hasn't been bad at FG% close to the rim (I can't find Mike's link to the site that has this info). He has been dreadful shooting at distance.


 
Cvonvorys 
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Re: FT shooting
12-08-17 05:05 PM - Post#239714    
    In response to TheLine

And that has been my criticism for Darnell... He takes too many low percentage shots. Penn as a team should strive to take higher percentage shots on every possession. A Darnell three with 20 seconds left on the shot clock is probably not the best use of that possession. A Ryan three, a Caleb three, a Sam three, a Jackson three, heck maybe even a Jake three with 20 seconds left on the shot clock maybe...

We don't lose another game this year if Darnell attempts fewer than 10 field goals in a game (according to year-long trends).

 
mrjames 
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12-08-17 05:16 PM - Post#239715    
    In response to Cvonvorys

Darnell is 63% at the rim. Woods is 48%. Only 12% of Darnell's attempts at the rim are assisted while 46% of Woods' are. 40% of Darnell's shots are at the rim. 33% of Woods' are.

 
palestra38 
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12-08-17 05:31 PM - Post#239719    
    In response to mrjames

So I guess Woods is more effective with 2 point jumpers given that he shoots virtually the same percentage as Foreman from 2 points....and a lofty .32 from 3, which is double Foreman's rate.

But they both are playing great defense and the biggest difference I see this year is that Penn is not giving up nearly the number of wide open 3s as they did in the past, oh 5 years. They are contesting better at the perimeter and at the hoop with the twin towers, meaning that they are playing better defense.

 
TheLine 
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12-08-17 05:40 PM - Post#239720    
    In response to palestra38

Woods and Foreman battle real well to get over the picks. They'll switch when they can't. Woods in particular has played nice D when mismatched against a taller opponent.

Woods has been shooting better from distance and making nice decisions. When he shoots early in the clock it's typically right on the arc and wide open, otherwise he passes or drives.



 
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