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penn nation 
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12-07-17 05:46 PM - Post#239562    

In our 10 DI games, Penn's FT% currently sits at 60.1%--12.5 makes per game.

This ranks 344th out of 351 DI schools.

Ivy leader: Brown at 78.4% (17th)--21.0 makes per game.

 
Old Bear 
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12-07-17 08:19 PM - Post#239583    
    In response to penn nation

College age may be a little late to try to make material changes in FT shooting fundamentals and results. There are more notable failures than successes.

 
penn nation 
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12-07-17 08:58 PM - Post#239587    
    In response to Old Bear

True, but DNH is a recent success story.

It's hard to recall a Penn team, though, that has had so many players who have fallen short in this area.

 
T.P.F.K.A.D.W. 
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12-08-17 10:11 AM - Post#239609    
    In response to penn nation

  • penn nation Said:
True, but DNH is a recent success story.



Fran Dougherty is another.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/fran-...

As is Ugonna Onyekwe.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/ugonn...

Seems to me that free throw shooting IS something that can be improved upon.

Edited by T.P.F.K.A.D.W. on 12-08-17 10:13 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
rbg 
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12-08-17 10:35 AM - Post#239612    
    In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.

FWIW, I went looking at Brown's FT% during and just before the Mike Martin Era started in 2012-2013

2017-2018: 78%
2016-2017: 76%
2015-2016: 70%
2014-2015: 69%
2013-2014: 67%
2012-2013: 63%

2011-2012: 63%

I haven't looked closely enough at those numbers to know if the players in his earlier years improved over time due to the staff's teaching and/or the recruited athletes arrived with stronger FT skills.

Maybe someone from the Brown board knows more about how they improved drastically over the last few years.



 
penn nation 
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12-08-17 11:01 AM - Post#239616    
    In response to rbg

Depends on the situation, but it can take as little as having one really good FT shooter who gets to the line a lot.

With Brown, it appears Spieth drove this a lot, as did Blackmon.

Certainly Rosen did with Penn--the rest of the team wasn't all that impressive but his stats were so good that the team as a whole didn't look so bad.

 
Silver Maple 
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12-08-17 11:25 AM - Post#239621    
    In response to penn nation

My feeling is that you can get by with some lousy free throw shooters on your team, as long as your PG isn't one of them. And maybe your SG too. If neither of those guys is an excellent FT shooter, you're virtually guaranteed to lose a bunch of close games at the line. So, put another way, if there were ONE thing that I could magically change about Darnell Forman right now, it would be his FT shooting.

 
PennFan10 
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12-08-17 11:35 AM - Post#239623    
    In response to Silver Maple

That said, Foreman is in the top 15 in the league in FT%. It is magnified when you don't make front end of 1 and 1's at the end of games. So I would prefer Darnell magically improves his FT shooting in those situations! Even making the front end of a 1 and 1 at the end of a game and missing the second one is an improvement I would take.

 
penn nation 
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12-08-17 11:42 AM - Post#239625    
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  • PennFan10 Said:
That said, Foreman is in the top 15 in the league in FT%.



Considering he is shooting 66.6% in his 10 DI games, I highly doubt he's even in the Top 75.


 
penn nation 
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12-08-17 11:46 AM - Post#239626    
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It's a testament to the rest of his game that despite having horrible FG%, 3 pt FG% and FT% he is a starting guard. He doesn't turn the ball over, he has the ability at times to finish around the basket, he is a good rebounding guard and--when avoiding the tendency to launch shots--is a decent floor general.

 
TheLine 
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12-08-17 12:23 PM - Post#239630    
    In response to penn nation

  • penn nation Said:
  • PennFan10 Said:
That said, Foreman is in the top 15 in the league in FT%.



Considering he is shooting 66.6% in his 10 DI games, I highly doubt he's even in the Top 75.



I wonder if D-I teams are better at defending FTs than D-III teams.


 
palestra38 
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12-08-17 12:24 PM - Post#239631    
    In response to TheLine

I think we should choose to have Caleb shoot 3s, instead of having a bunch of our guys shooting FTs

 
PennFan10 
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12-08-17 12:38 PM - Post#239633    
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FREE THROW PCT
1. Hunsaker, Zach-BRWN
2. Cannady, Devin-PRIN
3. Gettings, Stone-COR
4. Anderson, Brandon-BRWN
5. Morgan, Matt-COR
6. Cambridge, Desmond-BRWN
7. Oni, Miye-YALE
8. Aiken, Bryce-HARV
9. SMITH, Mike-COL
10. Betley, Ryan-PENN
11. Knight, Chris-DART
12. HICKMAN, Nate-COL
13. Towns, Seth-HARV
14. Bell, Amir-PRIN SR
15. Foreman, Darnell-PENN

 
Jeff2sf 
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12-08-17 12:39 PM - Post#239634    
    In response to penn nation

PN, minor thing but while I want to strip out the non-D1 stats as much as the next guy, I'm not sure you need to do with free throw rate. Unless the pressure is just SO much less, it's a free throw stripe. I feel those data points are just as relevant as what he shot against Howard or whatever.

 
PennFan10 
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12-08-17 12:40 PM - Post#239635    
    In response to PennFan10

Darnell leads the league in Assist/TO ratio as well at 2.1. Mike Smith is the only other player over 2.0 in the league. I think that is simply a testament to the fact that Darnell doesn't turn the ball over much, which is obviously a good thing.

 
PennFan10 
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12-08-17 12:41 PM - Post#239636    
    In response to palestra38

  • palestra38 Said:
I think we should choose to have Caleb shoot 3s, instead of having a bunch of our guys shooting FTs



This is a brilliant strategy! Similar % and worth more points.


 
penn nation 
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12-08-17 12:47 PM - Post#239638    
    In response to Jeff2sf

  • Jeff2sf Said:
PN, minor thing but while I want to strip out the non-D1 stats as much as the next guy, I'm not sure you need to do with free throw rate. Unless the pressure is just SO much less, it's a free throw stripe. I feel those data points are just as relevant as what he shot against Howard or whatever.



All things being equal, it's probably easier to shoot FTs playing against PS--Brandwyne than against Nova.


Edited by penn nation on 12-08-17 12:54 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
TheLine 
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12-08-17 12:51 PM - Post#239639    
    In response to penn nation

Because the Nova FTs are with the game on the line?


 
palestra38 
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12-08-17 12:52 PM - Post#239640    
    In response to TheLine

No, but they were shaking that whole building. Atmosphere this year in the Palestra? Uh, less active

 
penn nation 
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12-08-17 12:52 PM - Post#239641    
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  • PennFan10 Said:
FREE THROW PCT
1. Hunsaker, Zach-BRWN
2. Cannady, Devin-PRIN
3. Gettings, Stone-COR
4. Anderson, Brandon-BRWN
5. Morgan, Matt-COR
6. Cambridge, Desmond-BRWN
7. Oni, Miye-YALE
8. Aiken, Bryce-HARV
9. SMITH, Mike-COL
10. Betley, Ryan-PENN
11. Knight, Chris-DART
12. HICKMAN, Nate-COL
13. Towns, Seth-HARV
14. Bell, Amir-PRIN SR
15. Foreman, Darnell-PENN



I am guessing that the total denominator of qualified shooters is sufficiently small in this chart...don't know what the minimum # of FTs per game is for what you've posted here.




 
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