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Vonsid 
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12-25-17 03:43 PM - Post#241280    

Game notes - https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/princeton.s...

 
Vonsid 
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12-25-17 03:58 PM - Post#241281    
    In response to Vonsid

Sloppy start on D. 11 - 7 Hawaii. Shweiger has all 7 points.

 
Vonsid 
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12-25-17 04:14 PM - Post#241282    
    In response to Vonsid

22 - 22 with under 6 to go in the half. Devin struggling but others helping out.

 
Tiger69 
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12-25-17 04:17 PM - Post#241283    
    In response to Vonsid

8 TOs,, 25-22. Cannady starting off cold, 2 TOs already..

 
Vonsid 
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12-25-17 04:17 PM - Post#241284    
    In response to Vonsid

25's with 4:05 to go. Princeton has 7 turnovers already. They look a bit tired.

 
Vonsid 
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12-25-17 04:19 PM - Post#241285    
    In response to Vonsid

We look a step slow in general but hanging in there. I am hopeful that Mitch will get them fired up and more focused at the half.

 
Tiger69 
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12-25-17 04:20 PM - Post#241286    
    In response to Tiger69

Getting beat up underneath. These guys beat Davidson.

 
TigerFan 
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12-25-17 04:28 PM - Post#241287    
    In response to Tiger69

9 TOs in 1st half. Tied up at 31.

 
Tiger69 
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12-25-17 04:31 PM - Post#241288    
    In response to Tiger69

What has happened to Cannady? Halftime tied at 31, Mitch has another halftime project: keep ball from Thomas (19 Pts), stop the TOs, move the ball to open shooters and MAKE FTs!

 
Tiger69 
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12-25-17 04:49 PM - Post#241289    
    In response to Tiger69

2nd half another ulcer maker.

 
jeromelh 
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12-25-17 04:59 PM - Post#241290    
    In response to Tiger69

Cannady is suddenly on fire

 
Vonsid 
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12-25-17 05:13 PM - Post#241291    
    In response to jeromelh

Refs are out of control

 
jeromelh 
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12-25-17 05:17 PM - Post#241292    
    In response to Vonsid

You got that right. That last call on Much was ridiculous. The positive is that Hawaii can't hit their free throws.

 
penn nation 
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12-25-17 05:22 PM - Post#241293    
    In response to jeromelh

The way they are shooting, Hawaii could foul out the entire Princeton team and still lose. And I thought Penn was bad at the line.

 
Tiger69 
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12-25-17 05:37 PM - Post#241294    
    In response to penn nation

Both teams playing tired.

 
Vonsid 
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12-25-17 05:40 PM - Post#241295    
    In response to Tiger69

Yea for sure

 
bradley 
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12-25-17 05:57 PM - Post#241296    
    In response to Tiger69

It seems that you can never count out Cannady as he keeps the motor running and stays focused. There will be ups and downs playing against competitive opponents as was the case today. After all, Hawaii was tied with Miami with seventeen minutes left to play and they beat Davidson pretty handily and then Davidson handily beats Akron -- they play hard and it is their home. Slim margin of error in all of these games but the key is to stay in the game when you are struggling and then make and sustain your move.

Tigers have obviously taken huge steps forward with the West Coast trip. Started all with the defensive effort against Monmouth and their defense/rebounding has been the staple as it should be. Mitch and coaching staff deserve a lot of credit.

Now, the Ivy League. Although non-conference play certainly had its up/downs, their schedule has toughened them up. Should be a sweet flight back home.

*** Not a fan when Mitch goes to the stall tactics -- Bell gets his 5th foul. Play to win; not to lose.



 
jeromelh 
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12-25-17 06:04 PM - Post#241297    
    In response to bradley

As an aside. How good is our freshman class??

 
Tiger69 
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12-25-17 06:33 PM - Post#241298    
    In response to jeromelh

Among other things, we got a little preview of the quality of officiating we can expect in the coming weeks!

Next stop: the palestra.

 
bradley 
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12-25-17 08:44 PM - Post#241302    
    In response to jeromelh

There is talent for sure but understandably uneven play from game to game other than Much. They will be welcoming the highest recruit in a long time to join them next year which should be fun.

The West Coast road trip, 4-1, against good to very good competition after the poor start was a pleasant surprise but a long road awaits the Tigers with no guarantees.

Should the Tigers have played such a competitive non-conference schedule? Good question. I would rather that they try and fail versus playing a schedule of Lafayettes' and FDUs'.

 
SRP 
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12-25-17 08:53 PM - Post#241303    
    In response to Tiger69

Yikes as far as the officiating--I was expecting some taro root with all the home cooking. The bogus charge on Bell where he fouled out was the pineapple on top. Young and Much would get pushed fighting for post position and get called for standing their ground. The announcers were baffled by a call against Brennan when he had perfect rebounding position. So the relative calm the Tigers displayed was impressive.

Hawaii definitely made the game much calmer for PU by their FT butchery. Not only a low percentage, but the front-ends of some one-and-ones missed. Still, even if they'd made them all and Princeton hadn't done any better on offense, they'd have won. And Cannady uncharacteristically missed a few FTs too.

I didn't think the teams looked especially tired. Jump shots were going in with nice trajectories, people were fighting for rebounds and loose balls, etc. Maybe Stephens's finishing problems were from that--he left a lot of layups rolling off the rim. I wish some of the Tigers' (predicted preseason and continuing) weaknesses in post defense and in consistent cutting off of drives were merely fatigue. Hope the excessive turnovers were due to that. Surprised we didn't see more Aririguzoh, whose energy and foul-absorbption would have seemed to be indicated. Brennan was pretty good though, especially showing his great help-and-recover on ball screens.

Bell and Cannady played great games overall. The way Cannady stays erect and alert and active regardless of whether his shot is going down is exemplary, and he was rewarded in the second half by the return of his touch. He had to accede to a couple of mid-range twos to get it back, but it was well worth it. Bell was aggressive on offense and defense and generally had a terrific tournament.

Liked Brennan, Deroisiers, and Schweger pretty well in this game. Young not so much, although he was tormented by the officials. The team could really use Morales back for situations like the end of this game, trying to defeat opposing teams' ball pressure without Bell.

 
jeromelh 
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12-25-17 09:24 PM - Post#241305    
    In response to SRP

I would love to know what Gladson's injury is

 
umbrellaman 
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12-25-17 09:47 PM - Post#241306    
    In response to bradley

Gotta be pleased with the preconference play. They got better as they went along and it looks like Much, Desrosiers and Schweiger are gonna get serious minutes as freshmen.

 
gokinsmen 
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Hawaii
12-25-17 10:16 PM - Post#241307    
    In response to umbrellaman

Nice road win to close out non-conf. The freshmen bigs really grew up in the past few games -- Much, Desrosiers, Schweiger and Aririguzoh, all of them. I think a few more cupcake opponents to start the season would have been nice (75th SOS this year), but the guys are ready for the Ivies.

Another Ivy Tourney at the Palestra is total garbage, but let's get there first. #Myles4POY #Much4ROY

 
mrjames 
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12-25-17 10:18 PM - Post#241308    
    In response to SRP

Hawaii is notorious for having a huge HCA, mostly from fouls.

It won’t appear as such by Hawaii’s end of season rank, likely, but this is an impressive win. Hard to walk out of this tournament with a big win against the hosts, though. While it was a crazy good Hawaii team in 2015-16, I remember that Diamond Head being *rough* for everyone playing Hawaii, including the eventual champs OU.

Very, very good win.

 
gokinsmen 
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Hawaii
12-25-17 10:44 PM - Post#241309    
    In response to mrjames

I'm surprised Hawaii doesn't field more competitive teams on a regular basis.

I mean, it's D1 basketball...in a tropical paradise. Not a bad recruiting pitch.

 
bradley 
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12-25-17 11:07 PM - Post#241310    
    In response to SRP

Cannady 2 pts 1st half - 26 pts 2nd half. He has literally and figuratively elevated his game both offensively and defensively from even last year. He is now a few points shy of 1,000 and he still has 1 1/2 years to go. Bell has been terrific as you point out. Stephens play is somewhat uneven and he has missing shots at the rim.

Tigers 111 KenPom but may not get much of a bounce in IL play assuming if they play well based on non-conference performance of Ivies including the Tigers as a group but all you can do at this point is improve and stay focused.

 
Eric Von Zipper 
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12-26-17 03:19 PM - Post#241321    
    In response to bradley

Southern Cal won the tournament and Middle Tennessee lost 3rd to Miami by 3 points.

 
umbrellaman 
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Re: Hawaii
12-26-17 05:25 PM - Post#241326    
    In response to gokinsmen

Re: playing CBB in Hawaii, possible downsides - Road trips, going home is a bear, cost of living is high?

 
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