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Username Post: Delaware State        (Topic#20884)
Tiger69 
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12-28-17 01:21 PM - Post#241456    
    In response to JadwinGeorge

Well stated. I trust that we shall hear no more snarking about our "feel good" D III games from Penn fans fawning over their most recent cupcake win. Its nice to see the guys down at the end of the bench get some time to show their stuff. They earn that right by sticking with the program in the slender chance that they might be called on at some future moment. Plus, of course, our Tigers will be trembling with anticipation as they review the game films of the mighty Quackers putting the sword to poor Del St.

Edited by Tiger69 on 12-28-17 01:21 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
penn nation 
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12-28-17 01:23 PM - Post#241457    
    In response to PennFan10

The other thing to mention is that the defense, especially in the first half, was just great. There were very few uncontested shots in the first 20 minutes and even when DState did score, often Penn was in their faces for the first 20-25 seconds.

  • PennFan10 Said:

The FT shooting also should not matter who we play and the starters were 4-4 and including rotational players (non Jarrod) we were 8-11 (21-25 overall). It should be noted none of AJ, Darnell, and Antonio shot any FT.




I definitely noted who was not at the line. But for those who were (and many shot)--they were fantastic and most of these FTs were nothing but net.

This could have been one of those "well, the team looked rusty" games. This team--all of it--looked SHARP. The constant barking and communication from the bench, the look on the players' faces, the fantastic form of the FTs and 3 point shots, the crisp passing--this is a hungry team. They may not have the talent of a Princeton, but they are no longer bad or a source of embarrassment.

Edited by penn nation on 12-28-17 01:36 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
TheLine 
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12-28-17 01:23 PM - Post#241458    
    In response to penn nation

Wasn't the D-III game a pre-condition of the tournament? Don't know why it would be but I think all the other teams had one too.

I didn't mind the Del St. game on the schedule - they're reasonably local and played hard the last time we played them. Maybe we've grown out of that match-up right now - and that would be a good thing.


 
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Re: Delaware State
12-28-17 01:26 PM - Post#241460    
    In response to Tiger69

  • Tiger69 Said:
Well stated. I trust that we shall hear no more snarking about our "feel good" D III games from Penn fans fawning over their most recent cupcake win.


You really think that's going to put an end to it? LOL.


 
penn nation 
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12-28-17 01:31 PM - Post#241462    
    In response to TheLine

Goodman looked good. He put up one ill-advised shot but other than that he was a sparkplug and a great change of pace.

Hard to say how that would translate into playing a starting 5 of any Ivy team, but it should translate well if he's playing against the backup PGs.

  • TheLine Said:
Is it possible to read anything into Goodman's line or was the competition too light to do that?

Woods is quietly up to 35% at 3FGs. While he shouldn't be a primary or even secondary option - and he hasn't been - I don't mind him keeping defenses honest when they leave him open.





 
yoyo 
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12-28-17 02:01 PM - Post#241465    
    In response to penn nation

Penn has tremendous depth, which will pay huge dividends come league play

 
10Q 
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12-28-17 02:06 PM - Post#241466    
    In response to yoyo

Which is why the injured freshman is not a big deal.

 
Mike Porter 
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12-28-17 03:07 PM - Post#241470    
    In response to Jeff2sf

Jeff - you missed out man. Of course Del State is terrible and we shouldn't read much into it I completely agree (I was one of those that said Del State was terrible but all I said further was that it was enjoyable and great to get Simmons minutes). But end of day it was fun for the players and fans and a lot of bench guys got minutes they normally don't see. A big thing missing from Penn basketball these long years in the wilderness was fun, so this was a nice change of pace.

Beyond that, I wouldn't take much from this game except that I'd like to see more minutes of real game action for Simmons.

I'm OK with this game after the break and prefer it to a D3 game. I wish a few earlier games were better, but I agree with SomeGuy that we've been losers for so long that we had to remember how to win.

We also have a very tough test with a quick turnaround tomorrow. Toledo is ranked around Harvard/Yale and is a weird mix of very, very good offense (top100 and better than ours) and crappy defense (close to bottom 100 and much worse than ours). We will have to play well on both ends to win that game.

 
10Q 
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12-28-17 03:21 PM - Post#241471    
    In response to Mike Porter

Holy Toledo, their D is bad.

 
Penndemonium 
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12-28-17 04:45 PM - Post#241480    
    In response to Jeff2sf

  • Jeff2sf Said:
guys, i just want to say, Del State is sooo bad. I struggle to see how either observational or statistical models can account for how terrible they are. There's a lot of "yeah i know Del State is bad but did you see..." but none of that is at all relevant when we play competent teams. What do you learn when I beat my 7 year old in 1 on 1 on the hoop behind my house about how I play against adults?



Yeah, jeff2sf. They are so bad, that there is nothing positive to take away. Even their FT defense was so bad.

As bad as Del State was, the Quakers of Allen and Voldemort wouldn't have known how to put them away. This team is starting to play together like Donahue's Sweet 16 Cornell team. They play hard for 40 minutes and know what they want to do. Unfortunately our personnel don't fit his system so well as well as the Cornell team's did.

Hopefully that improves over time...

 
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12-29-17 02:40 AM - Post#241504    
    In response to SomeGuy

  • SomeGuy Said:
I doubt we knew we were getting #349 when we scheduled this.




The top school in the MEAC in Pomeroy is Hampton at 265; 10 of the 13 league members are sub-300. In the SWAC, Texas Southern is tops at 208; 8 of 10 schools are below 300. Checking back through the past few seasons, this is not a recent phenomenon, either. At the risk of kicking leagues that are in difficult situations, any time you schedule one of their teams, there's a pretty good chance that they're going to be lousy. This game was a real sign of improvement, in that we did lose to them a couple of years ago, but beyond that, I'm not taking much from it, and I hope we can move away from games like this in the future. Coincidentally, tomorrow the women are playing NJIT, per Sagarin the 4th worst team in the country as of this morning (though having put a 16-point loss on Long Beach St., they may be higher than that when the rankings are updated tomorrow.)
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"Hail, Alma Mater/Thy sons cheer thee now
To thee, Pennsylvania/All rivals must bow!!!"


 
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12-29-17 10:05 AM - Post#241511    
    In response to dperry

Hopefully we will start scheduling "up" next year (although that will make free cheesesteaks a lot harder)


 
10Q 
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12-29-17 11:37 AM - Post#241521    
    In response to mbaprof

Is there a statute of limitations on the steaks? I still have my ticket.

 
penn nation 
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12-29-17 11:57 AM - Post#241522    
    In response to 10Q

I’m keeping my tickets and program. Collectors items on a historic night for Penn basketball.

 
10Q 
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12-29-17 12:22 PM - Post#241525    
    In response to penn nation

I already marked the score on my ticket and put it into my scrap book.

 
Quakers03 
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12-29-17 12:52 PM - Post#241528    
    In response to 10Q

Did I miss the part where people where celebrating this win as an accomplishment? I think the word used most was fun, and it was. Nothing more than that.

I always love the Princeton false equivalency. We play a truly awful D-1 team, once, and that's somehow equal to an annual d-3 matchup? Until we make this a tradition, save your trolling for another time. Until then, good luck with Rowan. I guess the 50 point beatdown last time was so good you wanted more. The bad news is they're off a huge win over Salisbury but that's after losses to Eastern (it's close to Nova so that must mean something) and Montclair St, so you should be fine. Might be worth scouting their battle in Camden a few days prior to the big one.

Next Friday can't get here soon enough.

 
Penndemonium 
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12-29-17 02:55 PM - Post#241544    
    In response to Quakers03

The three point shooting for our team was very surprising. I wasn't aware that our team could shoot over 40% threes in pop-a-shot!



 
Tiger69 
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12-29-17 03:19 PM - Post#241546    
    In response to Quakers03

I can feel your embarrassment

 
mrjames 
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12-29-17 03:41 PM - Post#241547    
    In response to Quakers03

To be fair, of the ratings systems that do cross-divisional ratings (Talisman, Massey, etc.), Rowan is rated pretty darn close to Delaware St. and would likely be a 2.5-point dog on a neutral floor.

On the other side, though, research continues to show that huge margins aren't meaningless. Studies using repeat games during a season show that the margin of the first game is predictive of the margin of the second game, even at ridiculously high numbers (i.e. teams that win matchup 1 by 30 points tend to win matchup 2 more frequently and by more than teams that win matchup 1 by 20 points. Same holds for even more garbage-y margins like 30 vs. 40).

Now, there are likely limits to this. Penn St. Brandywine would be a solid double-digit underdog to Delaware State on a neutral floor, so at that level, the margin is probably irrelevant. But within the realm of D1, Top half D2 and Top 100 or so D3 schools, where there's at least some decent resistance, margin matters.

 
Silver Maple 
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12-29-17 03:45 PM - Post#241549    
    In response to Tiger69

Pretty sure the only accomplishment being celebrated is cheesesteak-related.

Has anybody ever compiled a list of Penn players who have made cheesesteaks happen?

 
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