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Username Post: To Beat Princeton        (Topic#20900)
pennsive 
Sophomore
Posts: 122

Reg: 11-21-04
12-30-17 10:13 PM - Post#241648    

There is, of course, the obvious: shoot our threes well, get out on their three point shooters, contain Bell, Stephens, and Cannady, help on defense, etc. What we really need also to do is to develop our interior defense to a point that we don't get shredded and tagged with a foul every time Bell or Stephens wants/ needs to to go to the hoop. The other big thing is to not let the end game situations come down to wrong three point shooters taking shots just because the defense is baiting them into them, and (sorry to say it) have AJ out of the way from being fouled. We need our best foul shooters on the line, and that means we need Jones and Caleb in there with the ball at those end game situations. Every game we lost this year was a function of being worn down by the other team's athleticism coupled with some or all of the above.

 
penn nation 
Professor
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Reg: 12-02-04
Re: To Beat Princeton
12-30-17 10:42 PM - Post#241649    
    In response to pennsive

Much is going to be matchup challenge.

 
Tiger69 
Postdoc
Posts: 2275

Reg: 11-23-04
12-30-17 11:54 PM - Post#241651    
    In response to penn nation

Should be a great double header with the women with reasonable prospects for upsets in either game.

 
dperry 
PhD Student
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dperry
Loc: Oreland, PA
Reg: 11-24-04
12-31-17 03:04 AM - Post#241655    
    In response to Tiger69

  • Tiger69 Said:
Should be a great double header with the women with reasonable prospects for upsets in either game.



Should be noted that it is not literally a doubleheader; the men play Friday night at 7, whereas the women are Saturday afternoon at 1. The games in Princeton will be separated by a full week, with the men playing on Feb. 6 and the women on the 13th, both Tuesdays.
David Perry
Penn '92
"Hail, Alma Mater/Thy sons cheer thee now
To thee, Pennsylvania/All rivals must bow!!!"


 
Tiger69 
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Reg: 11-23-04
12-31-17 11:11 AM - Post#241663    
    In response to dperry

My bad. Thanks for the dope slap. What a lost opportunity! With followers of both M and W this could have been a better crowd than normal.

 
SomeGuy 
Postdoc
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Reg: 11-22-04
Re: To Beat Princeton
12-31-17 04:14 PM - Post#241674    
    In response to penn nation

Interesting matchup questions. Could AJ guard Stephens? Seems like they will pull both AJ and Max away from the basket no matter how you slice it, which makes helping more complicated.

 
Tiger69 
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Reg: 11-23-04
Re: To Beat Princeton
12-31-17 05:00 PM - Post#241675    
    In response to SomeGuy

Maybe. But, you can't afford to get AJ in foul trouble.

 
PennFan10 
PhD Student
Posts: 1847

Reg: 02-15-15
01-01-18 03:35 PM - Post#241696    
    In response to Tiger69

I would think Darnell guards Cannady, Woods takes Bell and Betley takes Desrosiers while AJ guards Stephens. Max will be on Much, which is the only matchup I am pretty certain about.

It will be interesting to see how Penn guards ball screens with Much setting the screens for Cannady, Bell or Stephens.

 
penn nation 
Professor
Posts: 11542

Reg: 12-02-04
01-01-18 07:59 PM - Post#241702    
    In response to PennFan10

It will negate Max's proficiency on the boards, for one.

 
mrjames 
Professor
Posts: 5241

Loc: Montclair, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
01-01-18 08:16 PM - Post#241703    
    In response to Tiger69

Just out of curiosity... what way do you think would be an upset?

 
westphillywarrior 
Sophomore
Posts: 178

Age: 37
Reg: 01-08-11
01-01-18 09:03 PM - Post#241704    
    In response to mrjames

Penn will be favored in the men's game.

 
penn nation 
Professor
Posts: 11542

Reg: 12-02-04
01-01-18 09:25 PM - Post#241707    
    In response to westphillywarrior

  • westphillywarrior Said:
Penn will be favored in the men's game.



I'd be surprised if they were. Either way, the line should be somewhat minimal.

 
mrjames 
Professor
Posts: 5241

Loc: Montclair, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
01-01-18 09:30 PM - Post#241708    
    In response to penn nation

Yeah, I’d suspect something like Penn -1.5, but Vegas gets frisky on momentum, and over the past month, it’d be Princeton by a few.

I was more curious because this is one of those moments where recency and overall conflict a bit and I’m not totally sure where Vegas will net out...

 
SomeGuy 
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Posts: 4624

Reg: 11-22-04
01-01-18 09:45 PM - Post#241712    
    In response to mrjames

Yes, seems like the line should be close enough that using the word "upset" in either direction seems inappropriate.

 
PennFan10 
PhD Student
Posts: 1847

Reg: 02-15-15
01-01-18 10:29 PM - Post#241718    
    In response to penn nation

  • penn nation Said:
It will negate Max's proficiency on the boards, for one.



I doubt it

 
Tiger69 
Postdoc
Posts: 2275

Reg: 11-23-04
01-02-18 12:56 AM - Post#241722    
    In response to PennFan10

I think that both M and W games will be close. My assumption was the Princeton will be a slight favorite on the M side and Penn in the W game. But no outcome other than a blowout in either game will surprise me.

 
Penndemonium 
Masters Student
Posts: 776

Reg: 11-29-04
01-02-18 01:32 AM - Post#241723    
    In response to Tiger69

Can someone recap Princeton's (men's) roster vs. last year? My recollection is that in recent years Princeton was simply too strong for Penn - they were bigger and better all around. I feel like our team has improved a small bit in terms of roster, and a fair amount in terms of coaching and system.

What has been happening with Princeton that we are now considered too close to call?

 
SRP 
Postdoc
Posts: 3531

Reg: 02-04-06
01-02-18 03:06 AM - Post#241724    
    In response to Penndemonium

Princeton graduated Steven Cook, Spencer Weisz, and Pete Miller. That was a top scorer and defender, the team leader and #1 passer (as well as a clutch rebounder, steals man, and three-point shooter), and the best post defender on the squad. Lots of points and rebounds and assists gone. Those losses, plus the early OOC performance (horrible loss to Lehigh, e.g.) by the Tigers, made the power ratings for Princeton look worse than last year.

Since the loss to George Washington, however, Much has stepped in to add some much-needed offensive punch and continuity and the Tigers have been playing much more consistent defense (though still showing some vulnerability in the post and on drives). Bell had a very strong west-coast swing, and the team just seemed to gel in winning four of five, including victories at USC and at Hawaii. So PU has "momentum" if that is a real thing, but their preseason and early OOC were worse than last year.

Personally, I think Princeton will play very well in the Palestra, as has been their recent habit.

 
AsiaSunset 
Postdoc
Posts: 3886

Reg: 11-21-04
01-02-18 07:01 AM - Post#241725    
    In response to SRP

This is not intended to put Princeton down as I think they remain the team to beat in our league, but it's unlikely they beat USC if USC's star, Bennie Boatright, had played in that game. Still - USC had some very good players on the court that day.

 
jeromelh 
Freshman
Posts: 37

Age: 76
Reg: 03-30-17
01-02-18 09:56 AM - Post#241730    
    In response to AsiaSunset

Hi
I hope you don't mind a visiting Princeton guy posting here. I am sure you are reading the Princeton message board as well.

Just to add to SRP's post. He is correct that Sebastian Much as been the reason for the improvement. He came in as a freshman 3 star, but just a hair below a 4 star. Next to Cannady, he currently plays the most minutes.
While only 6'8", he has a big body and has become the starting center. His basketball IQ is off the charts. He is a great passer and an excellent shooter out to beyond the 3 point line. Most likely, how Princeton does this Friday will depend on him.

 
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