pennsive
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12-30-17 10:13 PM - Post#241648
There is, of course, the obvious: shoot our threes well, get out on their three point shooters, contain Bell, Stephens, and Cannady, help on defense, etc. What we really need also to do is to develop our interior defense to a point that we don't get shredded and tagged with a foul every time Bell or Stephens wants/ needs to to go to the hoop. The other big thing is to not let the end game situations come down to wrong three point shooters taking shots just because the defense is baiting them into them, and (sorry to say it) have AJ out of the way from being fouled. We need our best foul shooters on the line, and that means we need Jones and Caleb in there with the ball at those end game situations. Every game we lost this year was a function of being worn down by the other team's athleticism coupled with some or all of the above.
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penn nation
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Re: To Beat Princeton 12-30-17 10:42 PM - Post#241649
In response to pennsive
Much is going to be matchup challenge.
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Tiger69
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12-30-17 11:54 PM - Post#241651
In response to penn nation
Should be a great double header with the women with reasonable prospects for upsets in either game.
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dperry
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12-31-17 03:04 AM - Post#241655
In response to Tiger69
Should be a great double header with the women with reasonable prospects for upsets in either game.
Should be noted that it is not literally a doubleheader; the men play Friday night at 7, whereas the women are Saturday afternoon at 1. The games in Princeton will be separated by a full week, with the men playing on Feb. 6 and the women on the 13th, both Tuesdays.
David Perry
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Tiger69
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12-31-17 11:11 AM - Post#241663
In response to dperry
My bad. Thanks for the dope slap. What a lost opportunity! With followers of both M and W this could have been a better crowd than normal.
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SomeGuy
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Re: To Beat Princeton 12-31-17 04:14 PM - Post#241674
In response to penn nation
Interesting matchup questions. Could AJ guard Stephens? Seems like they will pull both AJ and Max away from the basket no matter how you slice it, which makes helping more complicated.
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Tiger69
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Re: To Beat Princeton 12-31-17 05:00 PM - Post#241675
In response to SomeGuy
Maybe. But, you can't afford to get AJ in foul trouble.
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PennFan10
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01-01-18 03:35 PM - Post#241696
In response to Tiger69
I would think Darnell guards Cannady, Woods takes Bell and Betley takes Desrosiers while AJ guards Stephens. Max will be on Much, which is the only matchup I am pretty certain about.
It will be interesting to see how Penn guards ball screens with Much setting the screens for Cannady, Bell or Stephens.
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penn nation
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01-01-18 07:59 PM - Post#241702
In response to PennFan10
It will negate Max's proficiency on the boards, for one.
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mrjames
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01-01-18 08:16 PM - Post#241703
In response to Tiger69
Just out of curiosity... what way do you think would be an upset?
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westphillywarrior
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01-01-18 09:03 PM - Post#241704
In response to mrjames
Penn will be favored in the men's game.
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penn nation
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01-01-18 09:25 PM - Post#241707
In response to westphillywarrior
Penn will be favored in the men's game.
I'd be surprised if they were. Either way, the line should be somewhat minimal.
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mrjames
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01-01-18 09:30 PM - Post#241708
In response to penn nation
Yeah, I’d suspect something like Penn -1.5, but Vegas gets frisky on momentum, and over the past month, it’d be Princeton by a few.
I was more curious because this is one of those moments where recency and overall conflict a bit and I’m not totally sure where Vegas will net out...
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SomeGuy
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01-01-18 09:45 PM - Post#241712
In response to mrjames
Yes, seems like the line should be close enough that using the word "upset" in either direction seems inappropriate.
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PennFan10
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01-01-18 10:29 PM - Post#241718
In response to penn nation
It will negate Max's proficiency on the boards, for one.
I doubt it
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Tiger69
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01-02-18 12:56 AM - Post#241722
In response to PennFan10
I think that both M and W games will be close. My assumption was the Princeton will be a slight favorite on the M side and Penn in the W game. But no outcome other than a blowout in either game will surprise me.
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Penndemonium
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01-02-18 01:32 AM - Post#241723
In response to Tiger69
Can someone recap Princeton's (men's) roster vs. last year? My recollection is that in recent years Princeton was simply too strong for Penn - they were bigger and better all around. I feel like our team has improved a small bit in terms of roster, and a fair amount in terms of coaching and system.
What has been happening with Princeton that we are now considered too close to call?
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SRP
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01-02-18 03:06 AM - Post#241724
In response to Penndemonium
Princeton graduated Steven Cook, Spencer Weisz, and Pete Miller. That was a top scorer and defender, the team leader and #1 passer (as well as a clutch rebounder, steals man, and three-point shooter), and the best post defender on the squad. Lots of points and rebounds and assists gone. Those losses, plus the early OOC performance (horrible loss to Lehigh, e.g.) by the Tigers, made the power ratings for Princeton look worse than last year.
Since the loss to George Washington, however, Much has stepped in to add some much-needed offensive punch and continuity and the Tigers have been playing much more consistent defense (though still showing some vulnerability in the post and on drives). Bell had a very strong west-coast swing, and the team just seemed to gel in winning four of five, including victories at USC and at Hawaii. So PU has "momentum" if that is a real thing, but their preseason and early OOC were worse than last year.
Personally, I think Princeton will play very well in the Palestra, as has been their recent habit.
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AsiaSunset
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01-02-18 07:01 AM - Post#241725
In response to SRP
This is not intended to put Princeton down as I think they remain the team to beat in our league, but it's unlikely they beat USC if USC's star, Bennie Boatright, had played in that game. Still - USC had some very good players on the court that day.
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jeromelh
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01-02-18 09:56 AM - Post#241730
In response to AsiaSunset
Hi
I hope you don't mind a visiting Princeton guy posting here. I am sure you are reading the Princeton message board as well.
Just to add to SRP's post. He is correct that Sebastian Much as been the reason for the improvement. He came in as a freshman 3 star, but just a hair below a 4 star. Next to Cannady, he currently plays the most minutes.
While only 6'8", he has a big body and has become the starting center. His basketball IQ is off the charts. He is a great passer and an excellent shooter out to beyond the 3 point line. Most likely, how Princeton does this Friday will depend on him.
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