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Username Post: Dartmouth        (Topic#20910)
84grad 
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Age: 58
Reg: 11-09-17
01-06-18 03:36 PM - Post#242292    
    In response to 84grad

I own race horses. We say: “No hoof, no horse”. No PG, no team. 9 point lead, but a really poor effort.

 
84grad 
Freshman
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Age: 58
Reg: 11-09-17
01-06-18 03:38 PM - Post#242294    
    In response to 84grad

First free throw with one minute to go is pathetic. Really bad sign for this team.

 
84grad 
Freshman
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Age: 58
Reg: 11-09-17
01-06-18 03:42 PM - Post#242296    
    In response to 84grad

By the way, feels like the announcers had as bad a game as the teams and referees. I know that’s harsh, but they may have had the most turnovers on the day.

 
mrjames 
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Reg: 11-21-04
01-06-18 03:55 PM - Post#242302    
    In response to 84grad

Would have rather seen no Aiken, than now know how far he is from feeling 100% confident in that knee. Very concerning.

On the other hand, maybe Harvard’s defense is legit. I get 51 points on 64 possessions, which would be ~80 DRAT.

Team sorta feels like the Jacksonville Jaguars. Elite D. No quarterback. Shrug.

 
84grad 
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Age: 58
Reg: 11-09-17
01-06-18 05:22 PM - Post#242388    
    In response to mrjames

Is Tom Coughlin available?

 
PennFan10 
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01-06-18 05:25 PM - Post#242393    
    In response to 84grad

I have been very impressed with Harvard's defense the last 4-5 games I have watched. Lewis, Towns, and Johnson are very active.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
Masters Student
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Loc: New Jersey
Reg: 01-21-14
01-06-18 06:31 PM - Post#242483    
    In response to PennFan10

Harvard's D is the constant. Offense varies from game to game along with 3 point shooting. Seems to me that if you recruit thoroughbreds you don't enter them in a muddy chariot race.

Anyway, Lewis allowed Harvard to run Dartmouth off the 3 point line. That's why Juzang and Bassey each had 4 fouls - mostly on the perimeter. Need more than just Lewis to sustain that for 40 minutes though.

Congrats to Penn. It's a wide open year - unless Mason returns to form quickly - but not for Harvard is Aiken doesn't recover. He is not ready. Shouldn't have played.

 
Go Green 
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01-06-18 09:07 PM - Post#242506    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD


Our women beat you.



 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
Masters Student
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Loc: New Jersey
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01-06-18 10:17 PM - Post#242516    
    In response to Go Green

Yes, and had Dartmouth's 2017-18 mens squad been intact, it might have won as well. The rematch up in Hanover could be interesting.

 
mrjames 
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Loc: Montclair, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
01-07-18 01:31 PM - Post#242597    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Live ball TOs on 15% of possessions is a... wow.

Noah has technically already graduated HS, let’s get him cleared and on the court!!!

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
Masters Student
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Loc: New Jersey
Reg: 01-21-14
Dartmouth
01-08-18 11:12 AM - Post#242687    
    In response to mrjames

3Pt Shooting observation (w/o MIT)

4 home games: 35-85 = 41.2%

10 non-home games: 66-247 =26.7%

SOS isn't the difference as Harvard played Vermont and UMass at home, and possibly their best road shooting game was at Kentucky (12-28 = 42.9%)

To dig deeper, in Harvard's last 3 home games (no UMASS - seasoning opening weekend), they've shot 18-33 in the first halves - 54.5%!

Observations:
1. Home rims;
2. Upward trend;
3. Bryce missed last 3 home games (he's shooting 24.6%); and/or
4. Players shoot 3's better when not tired

Conclusions:
- Coach Amaker knew he had decent shooters entering the season based on last year's stats and scouting of freshmen (Djuricic, Farley and maybe Haskett);
- Without true PG and limited interior scoring threats other than Lewis and Towns, this team is coached to play defense, run clock, and employ an inside-out offense leading to 3's;
- Vulnerable to unfamiliar rims on road; and
- 3pt shooting % goes down with fatigue.

Bryce is a victim of the lack of another PG. He was averaging 34 minutes, handling the ball, driving, chasing the opponent's PG and taking the leftover 3's when the shot clock runs out. He's actually a very strong shooter - evidenced by last season (34.9% (2016-17) vs 24.6% (2017-18)).

I think this is why Harvard needs not only Aiken, but also McCarthy to be healthy. Both are not only good shooters, but they'll help boost the performance of the designated 3 point shooters (Johnson, Towns, Bassey and hopefully Djuricic/Farley). Juzang has been a pleasant surprise, but as a misplaced SG who played 35 minutes against Dartmouth, I expect his shooting to drop off, particularly in Saturday games.

To underscore the importance of 3pt shooting to the current Harvard team, Harvard was leading Vermont until it shot 1-9 on 3's in the second half, and Harvard was up 37-23 on Dartmouth before hitting a cold stretch, shooting 1-9 on 3's. Harvard then made its last 4 3's of the game in the final 6 minutes to win by 10.

Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 01-08-18 11:20 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
Masters Student
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Loc: New Jersey
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01-09-18 10:00 AM - Post#242798    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Harvard only 1 fast break basket against Dartmouth. That's 4 points in transition in last three games.

Anyone know if Mason is practicing for Yale yet? Thinking about Crimson visit on Jan 26th to New Haven.





 
Stuart Suss 
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Reg: 11-21-04
01-09-18 01:20 PM - Post#242812    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Dad/Grad

Please do not rely on box score numbers for fast break points. The numbers in the box scores regularly understate the number of "fast break" points.

You can look at the play by play of the game and count how many points developed from possessions that took 10 seconds or less to complete. That is an imperfect measurement of fast break points, but it will be more accurate than a box score total which only counts those possessions during which the official scorer manually added the designation "FB" after the completion of the possession.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
Masters Student
Posts: 939

Loc: New Jersey
Reg: 01-21-14
01-09-18 04:13 PM - Post#242820    
    In response to Stuart Suss

Thanks Stuart. I've similarly noticed that blocked shots is a very subjective and imprecise metric.

Suffice it to say - even to my eye - without Bryce the Crimson don't seem to be in much of a hurry, or - if they are - they're not getting anywhere quickly.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
Masters Student
Posts: 939

Loc: New Jersey
Reg: 01-21-14
Dartmouth
01-10-18 07:47 PM - Post#242924    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Nice game going on at Wofford (10-5, including victory over UNC). Tied at the half.

No Bryce (of course). Seth Towns playing possibly his best half of the year: 16pts on some pretty moves. Chris Lewis again a beast on defense, 2 blocks and holding Wofford's bigs to a total of 2 points. Bassey heavily in the mix for first 10 minutes.

Oh - in unfortunate support of my 3pt theorum, Crimson are 2-14 on three's in this road game. Wofford is 7-12.

Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 01-10-18 07:48 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
Masters Student
Posts: 939

Loc: New Jersey
Reg: 01-21-14
01-20-18 09:30 PM - Post#244273    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Deja Vu. Harvard goes up by 14 or so 15 minutes in then Dartmouth goes on 16-3 run. This time, Crimson stopped shooting 3's, but still couldn't score or get to the line. Back to the drawing board.

By way, thanks Seth.

No Bryce again.

 
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