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PennFan10 
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01-04-18 11:29 AM - Post#241960    

http://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/s...

 
palestra38 
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Re: COBL Power rankings
01-04-18 11:36 AM - Post#241961    
    In response to PennFan10

Fun to read, but kind of a joke to think we are the 2nd best team in the City right now. We can compete with any but Villanova, but we are not consistently the 2nd best---at least until we unleash Brodeur, who is down in almost every category.

 
PennFan10 
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01-04-18 11:47 AM - Post#241962    
    In response to palestra38

"we"? not sure what you and I can do to unleash Brodeur, but I am happy to try.

 
palestra38 
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01-04-18 11:48 AM - Post#241963    
    In response to PennFan10

The "fan's we", of course.

Generally, I don't refer to my teams as "we" but I feel a privilege to do so on this board.

 
PennFan10 
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01-04-18 12:09 PM - Post#241966    
    In response to palestra38

Well, we plan to unleash him tomorrow so let's hope SD allows us to do it.

 
Silver Maple 
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01-04-18 12:18 PM - Post#241968    
    In response to PennFan10

Let slip the dogs of war.

 
JadwinGeorge 
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01-04-18 12:23 PM - Post#241969    
    In response to PennFan10

Tomorrow's game will be a 3 pt shootout. Quakers may have a shade too much firepower from beyond the arc for the Tigers, although our kids will be prepared for it. Hope both teams play well because that will make a very close game inevitable. A Quaker win makes them the tourney favorite assuming no serious injuries along the way.

 
PennFan10 
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01-04-18 12:27 PM - Post#241970    
    In response to JadwinGeorge

The tourney favorite? I think Aiken and Mason will have a say in that before long.

 
yoyo 
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01-04-18 12:28 PM - Post#241971    
    In response to PennFan10

Mason is a brick layer

 
Penndemonium 
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01-04-18 12:45 PM - Post#241974    
    In response to JadwinGeorge

The Tigers would have to be a pretty bad shooting team for us to have too much 3 pt. firepower. We do have a few 3 pt. shooters, but Foreman, Woods, and Donahue take way too many of ours. Betley, Wood, and Jones should be the only ones with a green light. Maybe Woods is getting there - it seems like his shooting is improving.

 
PennFan10 
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01-04-18 01:04 PM - Post#241983    
    In response to yoyo

  • yoyo Said:
Mason is a brick layer



That may be his actual occupation before long if he doesn't get back on the court.


 
Quakers03 
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01-04-18 01:11 PM - Post#241993    
    In response to Penndemonium

I hate to say it, but I feel like some of the opponents are the reason Antonio's 3-point shooting has been so improved. He needs time to get that shot off, and time is something he has had recently. I'm not sure it will be the same tomorrow.

 
penn nation 
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01-04-18 01:24 PM - Post#241995    
    In response to Quakers03

I'm actually quite fine with Princeton contesting Woods and Foreman at the 3 point line. These are not usually the guys you want shooting those shots anyways.

Will make it easier for them to penetrate and find easier shots for themselves or, even better, to find other shooters in whom we have more confidence.

 
TheLine 
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01-04-18 02:03 PM - Post#242004    
    In response to Quakers03

  • Quakers03 Said:
I hate to say it, but I feel like some of the opponents are the reason Antonio's 3-point shooting has been so improved. He needs time to get that shot off, and time is something he has had recently. I'm not sure it will be the same tomorrow.


Woods is doing what he's supposed to be doing - hitting 3's if left wide open, otherwise laying it off. Nothing wrong with that.

And yes, nothing wrong with Princeton contesting Woods or Foreman. It means the D isn't targeting Betley and Brodeur.


Edited by TheLine on 01-04-18 02:06 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
SRP 
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01-04-18 02:41 PM - Post#242010    
    In response to Silver Maple

Release the kraken!

 
westphillywarrior 
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01-04-18 03:17 PM - Post#242015    
    In response to SRP

Penn opens as 1 point favorite. About right where expected.

 
Quakers03 
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01-04-18 03:18 PM - Post#242016    
    In response to westphillywarrior

Where it will end up is the real question.

 
weinhauers_ghost 
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01-04-18 03:37 PM - Post#242023    
    In response to yoyo

  • yoyo Said:
Mason is a brick layer



I see what you did there.

 
Tiger69 
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01-04-18 04:48 PM - Post#242029    
    In response to westphillywarrior

Not sure why we are the underdog, but I like the role.

 
penn nation 
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01-04-18 04:54 PM - Post#242030    
    In response to Tiger69

Home court. Based on the current odds, Princeton would be favored on a neutral court.

Kind of overstating your "underdogness" when the spread is only a point. Especially considering, if Penn does pull off a victory, it will be one of the more significant triumphs for the team in recent years.

 
SomeGuy 
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01-04-18 07:21 PM - Post#242040    
    In response to Tiger69

This is more or less what the advanced metrics would indicate. The question is whether Princeton should be purely evaluated based on the last 6. That would make Princeton a favorite. The eyes tend to say that the recent play means the most, though the numbers tend to say that a longer look smoothes away what may just be a little hot streak.

To me, regardless of whether Princeton should be favored by a couple, this is a game that could go either way. I actually think it could be a decisive victory in either direction as well. It's been a while since this game really realistically mattered for both teams, so I am excited (and I welcome the trepidation that comes with it mattering more).

 
PennFan10 
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01-04-18 07:34 PM - Post#242043    
    In response to SomeGuy

Yea, Penn was playing pretty well for a stretch and then laid an egg vs Toledo in 1 half.

 
1979Quakers 
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01-04-18 09:08 PM - Post#242050    
    In response to SomeGuy

Early line has Penn favored by 2.

 
westphillywarrior 
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01-04-18 09:45 PM - Post#242053    
    In response to SomeGuy

" It's been a while since this game really realistically mattered for both teams, so I am excited (and I welcome the trepidation that comes with it mattering more)."

Wow, you are easily trepidated - if that isn't a word it should be. Everything has changed with the tournament. So relax and sit back and enjoy the scrimmage. It's always fun to beat Princeton and I have a ton of confidence that we do win this one. But it's just become one of the games to get us to eight wins to make the tournament. Save your trepidation for March 10/11. Those are the games we need to win.

 
10Q 
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01-04-18 10:25 PM - Post#242058    
    In response to westphillywarrior

Yes. Fourth place is all that matters.

 
penn nation 
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01-04-18 10:35 PM - Post#242059    
    In response to 10Q

In terms of the program, defeating Princeton is something you need to do to get to the next level.

It's the #1 goal any incoming Penn coach should have when assuming the position: BEAT PRINCETON.

We're no longer an embarrassment. Check.
We got to the IL tourney. Check.
BEAT PRINCETON. EARLY AND OFTEN.

Check, please....

 
QHoops 
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01-04-18 10:42 PM - Post#242060    
    In response to SomeGuy

In terms of if this game has mattered in awhile, I think if Matt Howard had hit a free throw with 12 seconds to go last March, our furry friends would say our last game mattered a great deal

 
Tiger69 
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01-05-18 12:13 AM - Post#242069    
    In response to 10Q

If I could only have one, I'd prefer to win the league championship and yield the right to a 12+ seed to someone else.

 
AsiaSunset 
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01-05-18 07:49 AM - Post#242074    
    In response to SomeGuy

I think you are correct in that these games are difficult to predict.

My biggest Penn concern remains FT shooting. I thought the Toledo game would go down to the wire but our poor late game FT shooting let them get on top of us. Of course it got worse when they continued to hit 3's, shots we probably would have welcomed that they take under a different scenario. It's likely Princeton will make late game FTs - but can Penn match them? It's a concern.

 
10Q 
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01-05-18 09:15 AM - Post#242077    
    In response to Tiger69

That's really interesting. You'd rather win the 14 game tournament than the 2 game post-season tournament. As much as I dislike the latter, I'd rather advance to the dance. Winning the league regular season but not getting to advance would be hugely frustrating.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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01-05-18 10:21 AM - Post#242084    
    In response to 10Q

Not that it's a fair trade, but doesn't the league winner get a spot in the NIT if it loses the tournament?

 
Silver Maple 
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01-05-18 10:28 AM - Post#242087    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

People have asked this question before. As far as I know, it's just some bizarre urban myth, right up there with alligators in the NY sewers and people putting rat hairs in halloween candy.

 
penn nation 
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01-05-18 10:31 AM - Post#242088    
    In response to Silver Maple

  • Silver Maple Said:
People have asked this question before. As far as I know, it's just some bizarre urban myth, right up there with alligators in the NY sewers and people putting rat hairs in halloween candy.



No, this is not a bubbe myseh. It's the emes. [translation--actually, this is the real deal]

NIT selection process


Edited by penn nation on 01-05-18 10:32 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
palestra38 
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Re: COBL Power rankings
01-05-18 10:34 AM - Post#242090    
    In response to penn nation

I think the reason SM thinks it is legend is because prior to last year, the loser in the Ivy playoff game did not get an NIT berth. But the Ivy playoff was not considered a conference tournament under the NIT consolation rules. Now we have one.

 
Jeff2sf 
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01-05-18 10:37 AM - Post#242091    
    In response to penn nation

the idea that someone would prefer to not have the bid and instead "win" the 14 game tournament is precisely why Trump won and the only way we'll survive as a conference and nation is if you people die.

What a stupid hot take. This is why our football season is meaningless garbage less relevant than high school football.

If you don't want the tourney, that's separate. But to prefer not to win it...

 
Silver Maple 
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01-05-18 10:38 AM - Post#242092    
    In response to palestra38

So there ARE alligators in the sewers? Does this also mean that homeopathy isn't nonsense?

I don't know what's real anymore.

 
palestra38 
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01-05-18 10:39 AM - Post#242093    
    In response to Jeff2sf

I think, Jeff, that that is pure hyperbole coming from a Princeton fan who expects to win the regular season and then choke as they almost did last year in the playoff.

 
palestra38 
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01-05-18 10:40 AM - Post#242094    
    In response to Silver Maple

Holistic healers are REAL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH5IMv2jeuk

 
yoyo 
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01-05-18 10:51 AM - Post#242095    
    In response to palestra38

unfortunately it was Matt Howard who did the choking.

 
Penndemonium 
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01-05-18 01:49 PM - Post#242142    
    In response to Tiger69

  • Tiger69 Said:
If I could only have one, I'd prefer to win the league championship and yield the right to a 12+ seed to someone else.



On behalf of the Quakers, I accept this deal. Now we just need the other conference contenders to agree.

 
Tiger69 
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01-05-18 04:25 PM - Post#242187    
    In response to Penndemonium

But, I'll take BOTH.

 
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