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BisonRoadWarrior 
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01-04-18 01:34 PM - Post#241999    

Bucknell preview article
http://www.bucknellbison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_O...

 
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01-04-18 01:43 PM - Post#242000    
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Preview video featuring Stephen Brown
https://youtu.be/83i72ZJk4rA

 
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01-04-18 06:46 PM - Post#242035    
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Lunch with the Bison today, in the good news, bad news dept, from Coach Davis. Mackenzie might be ready next week for, Lehigh, and Sestina is out for West Point and we will have to wait for the a decision on Monday's game. Hope that is end of the injury woes until we get everybody back an available.

 
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01-04-18 07:07 PM - Post#242036    
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Lunch with the Bison today, in the good news, bad news dept, from Coach Davis. Mackenzie might be ready next week for, Lehigh, and Sestina is out for West Point and we will have to wait for the a decision on Monday's game. Hope that is end of the injury woes until we get everybody back an available.




Is it Sestina's hip? Looked like he landed awkwardly on it when he was fouled vs Boston U. The injury news doesn't let up.

Any word on Avi?




 
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01-04-18 07:19 PM - Post#242039    
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Coach didn't go into the details on Nate, I agree as he seemed to get undercut and limped off the court favoring his hip. He only mentioned "Mac", and didn't offer any word on Avi, however, he was on the court during warm ups, I didn't notice any issue with his walking around.

 
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01-04-18 08:49 PM - Post#242047    
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Wow, no Sestina now on the road. Who would have thought that 3 games into the PL season a W here would be considered a “big” win?

ESPN predictor has Army favored 52.5 to 47.5. Who would have thought we’d be underdog? Big premium given to the home team obviously but it would have been competitive with NS. Any other lines just out curiosity?

I’m laying the house on the Bison.

 
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01-04-18 09:06 PM - Post#242049    
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Pomeroy has the Bison as a one-point favorite, with a 51% chance of a win.

Sagarin has BU as a two-point favorite.




 
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01-04-18 09:58 PM - Post#242054    
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Paulie will get his wish to see more of Paul Newman. Hope the young man is ready.

 
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01-04-18 10:10 PM - Post#242056    
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Paulie will get his wish to see more of Paul Newman. Hope the young man is ready.




I do too - although I think we may also see some of Bruce Moore at the five. Army's center, Matt Wilson, is one of the league's better ones and is 6-9 240 lbs. When he comes out, Army sometimes goes to 6-9 John Miller, who is not nearly as good, and sometimes they go small. Moore (or Thomas) could guard whoever goes in when Wilson is out.




 
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01-04-18 11:25 PM - Post#242066    
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Paulie will get his wish to see more of Paul Newman. Hope the young man is ready.



I hope all goes well at Army and we might as well play Paul Newman sink or swim. Army always seems to play rough with our freshman bigs, Sestina and Oberfeld come to mind right away. Lets come out of there relatively unscathed and with a win, though both are going to be difficult.
Army and Bucknell play similar styles and this is going to end up as a piissing contest and Army is Alpha here on their home court. Army also has good energy and has a knack of taking their opponents energy and making it their own. So this is going to be a tough game.

 
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01-05-18 09:27 AM - Post#242080    
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This whole season is one big *sigh* at this point. Injuries, poor coaching and lackadaisical defense will be my memories of what is becoming a “lost season”

 
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01-05-18 11:07 AM - Post#242101    
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I’m not ready to get on the coaches case yet, but I do question his aversion to calling time out when clearly one is needed.

 
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01-05-18 02:58 PM - Post#242161    
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And let's watch the substitution pattern, which I think has been idiosyncratic. In the Boston game, 10 Bison players played in the first 10 minutes. Many different line-up combinations are being used. I don't know if this is strategy or just an attempt to find something that works in the particular moment. But, basketball is a game of rhythm and flow, and I think for some players this type of substitution philosophy could feel disruptive. It's not hockey.

 
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01-05-18 03:13 PM - Post#242165    
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Boston played well, but I believe we threw that game away precisely by the reasons of the two posts above. We constantly hear (and I believe) we have a deep team but why play Zach Thomas if he clearly is sick as a dog? I could tell at the beginning of the game Nate Jones was fired up to play. Put him in! Certainly get the right combination of players in and let them do their thing. Then when they need a little help take the timeout when it is time, no pun intended. The time to take a time out is one of the most consistent thing in basketball whether you are Duke or a Division III, why buck that trend and wait when that strategy never seems to pan out. Let Zach rest, get a decent combination in there, chill and drink some water and be alert enough to take a time out when needed. How hard is that? I'm just a townie basketball board poster, but thats how I see it.


Edited by Paulie777 on 01-05-18 03:21 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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01-05-18 03:25 PM - Post#242174    
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  • MyOhMighty Said:
And let's watch the substitution pattern, which I think has been idiosyncratic. In the Boston game, 10 Bison players played in the first 10 minutes. Many different line-up combinations are being used. I don't know if this is strategy or just an attempt to find something that works in the particular moment. But, basketball is a game of rhythm and flow, and I think for some players this type of substitution philosophy could feel disruptive. It's not hockey.




You may recall that ND did the same thing last year, often using 11 or 12 players in the first 10 minutes. I didn't like it and agree it can be disruptive. It was only in the latter part of the season last year when he shortened the rotation to nine or ten, with Robertson, Azzinaro, O'Reilly, and Jones (until West Virginia) seeing their minutes reduced or eliminated.




 
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01-05-18 03:32 PM - Post#242178    
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Wow, no Sestina now on the road. Who would have thought that 3 games into the PL season a W here would be considered a “big” win?

ESPN predictor has Army favored 52.5 to 47.5. Who would have thought we’d be underdog? Big premium given to the home team obviously but it would have been competitive with NS. Any other lines just out curiosity?

I’m laying the house on the Bison.



Paulie, can you please apply your algorithm to this and come up with the real point spread?
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!


 
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01-05-18 03:35 PM - Post#242179    
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We constantly hear (and I believe) we have a deep team but why play Zach Thomas if he clearly is sick as a dog? I could tell at the beginning of the game Nate Jones was fired up to play. Put him in! . . . Then when they need a little help take the timeout when it is time, no pun intended. The time to take a time out is one of the most consistent thing in basketball whether you are Duke or a Division III, why buck that trend and wait when that strategy never seems to pan out. Let Zach rest, get a decent combination in there, chill and drink some water and be alert enough to take a time out when needed. How hard is that? I'm just a townie basketball board poster, but thats how I see it.





Even playing with the flu, Thomas was one of the two best players on the floor for BU - 25 points and 13 rebounds. (Few Bucknell players have gotten 13+ boards in a game even once in their entire careers.) Jones had 12 unproductive minutes and struggled to guard Hankerson.

I agree that ND occasionally needs to call a timeout to break an opponents' momentum - but there are not enough timeouts allowed to take one just to rest. A team basically has one use-it-or-lose-it timeout in the first half and then three in the second half, at least two of which generally should be saved for the final two minutes. I don't fault ND's second half timeout strategy, but I think he sometimes hoards the one first half timeout too much - always wanting to save it for the final 40 seconds of the half.




 
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01-05-18 03:56 PM - Post#242183    
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  • Old Bison Said:


I’m laying the house on the Bison.



Paulie, can you please apply your algorithm to this and come up with the real point spread?



Bison89, my algorithm did not work last time, so its back to the drawing board for that, I need a few days and some good single barrel bourbon-I'll get back to you.

I would tell Old Bison not to lay the house on this one, but he seems to be one to not listen to advice and does his own thing.

We have beaten Army the last seven times or so, so I think they are poised to crush us like an ant on their home court. I hope we win but am not too optimistic. I'll take comfort in the one thing Army doesn't have:

http://www.orgs.bucknell.edu/dance_team/performanc ...



 
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01-05-18 04:55 PM - Post#242193    
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Tx Paulie, you’re very perceptive!!!

My only response is that we have something in common. I like women. I won’t however admit to ogling the dancing bison co-eds, but I for one would not disavow you based on your Uncle Ernie tendencies. Any chance of you running for Congress in the Town Tavern district? 🤣😜

 
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01-05-18 07:58 PM - Post#242207    
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On pregame show, Birdsong said Mackenzie hopes to be back next week, Avi “maybe another couple of weeks, maybe sooner.” Sestina hoping to play Monday, but “that’s not a certainty yet.” Meanwhile, O’Reilly will play, but hasn’t been practicing due to a nagging foot injury.


 
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01-05-18 08:34 PM - Post#242209    
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Does Army's announcer annoy the crap out of anyone else besides me?

Edited by jkrun80 on 01-05-18 08:34 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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01-05-18 08:42 PM - Post#242210    
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The rotation is bound to shorten once Kimbal and Avi return. I wouldn’t include O’Reilly for sure and prob not Jones or Robertson unless foul problems. All O’Reilly really can do is shoot 3’s and he’s even been terrible at that. Jones, too, is shooting poorly all year but for one game. Just because we play a lot of guys doesn’t necessarily mean we have depth.

 
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01-05-18 08:59 PM - Post#242213    
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Phillie I agree with you about O'Reilly if he is not hitting shots he is usually a minus player. Jones has hit a couple shots tonight. I think Robertson needs more minutes in a game to really see what he can do! He is so athletic. It will be interesting to see what happens when kimbal and Avi get back.

 
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01-05-18 09:07 PM - Post#242216    
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Good defensive 1st half. Off to a good start on offense in the 2nd.

 
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01-05-18 10:00 PM - Post#242219    
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Much better performance tonite. Of course it helps when you’re making your shots, especially 3-pointers, but it seemed like the team had a better attitude also toward the game. Still too many turnovers...somehow that has to get fixed. Who would’ve thought that with Thomas and Foulland combining for 12 points that Bucknell would score 83 points and win by 17? Some others like Brown, Moore, Sotos and Robertson stepped up. Too many turnovers by Jimmy, tho. Overall very nice win.

 
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01-05-18 10:01 PM - Post#242220    
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What a difference shotmaking makes. Stadium stream was horrible, missing huge amounts of game action after every commercial break.

 
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01-05-18 10:04 PM - Post#242222    
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He was the anthesis of Birdsong

 
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01-05-18 10:09 PM - Post#242223    
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  • MrPhillie Said:
Too many turnovers by Jimmy, tho. Overall very nice win.


Got 5 steals so only -2 in TO. Playing really well for a freshman.

 
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01-05-18 10:10 PM - Post#242224    
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On a non-game note, I like the new segment of talking to an assistant coach after a win. Coach Griffin and Coach Harrison both were enjoyable and you get a little “inside” feel with them...and if I can, a little personality as well.

 
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01-05-18 10:10 PM - Post#242225    
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I can’t shake the sting of how bad this team is when it doesn’t perform. Great teams win on bad nights. We never do. Tonight we played like the best team in the PL which we are however it’s irrelevant when we suck at our own making.

Moore played well tonight as did Robertson. I was also pleased with Sotos. Our seniors are rocks.

O’Reilly is a liability. I’m not sure why he plays. He plays hard but as said many times, if he’s not shooting 40% or above from 3 then he’s a liability given that he loses all situational value too.

Meeks flashed tonight as well.

Solid effort but as my Mom would say, “big whoop”

 
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01-05-18 10:28 PM - Post#242228    
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Good to see Sotos taking shots. I felt like he declined several bona fide opportunities versus Boston University.


 
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01-05-18 10:33 PM - Post#242229    
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  • MrPhillie Said:
On a non-game note, I like the new segment of talking to an assistant coach after a win.

I missed it, watching those other league games go down to the wire. And, alas, I don't think there's any more archiving of the broadcast audio.


 
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01-05-18 10:40 PM - Post#242231    
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Good to see Sotos taking shots. I felt like he declined several bona fide opportunities versus Boston University.


I thought the same thing. Sotos (and others were passing up open 3's and trying to dump the ball inside, which wasn't working. Glad to see them hitting them tonight.

 
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01-06-18 12:01 AM - Post#242236    
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Did kimbal actually play 3 minutes or did someone make a mistake in the box score?

 
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01-06-18 12:09 AM - Post#242237    
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  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
Good to see Sotos taking shots. I felt like he declined several bona fide opportunities versus Boston University.


I thought the same thing. Sotos (and others were passing up open 3's and trying to dump the ball inside, which wasn't working. Glad to see them hitting them tonight.




It's important that Moore, Sotos, Robertson, Jones, etc hit the open threes. And that Brown be aggressive offensively. Army's game plan clearly was to take Nana and Zach out of the game and dare the others to beat them. They will likely see a lot more of this, which leads to tons of open threes from the corner and the wing. Those guys have to make 40% or more on the open ones to punish the opposition for double-teaming. Moore, Sotos, Robertson, and Jones tonight hit 11-21 on threes. They will continue to get open looks.

Team had 8 blocks and 9 steals - both season highs I believe. For most of the season, the total of those two categories has not exceeded ten. Bison seemed more aggressive on the defensive end, trying to make things happen.




 
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01-06-18 12:10 AM - Post#242238    
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Did kimbal actually play 3 minutes or did someone make a mistake in the box score?




Mistake. The Army scorekeeper was a bit lost. The Army scoreboard also had him in the game for a few minutes. It has been corrected in the official box score: http://goarmywestpoint.com/boxscore.aspx?path=mbba...




 
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01-06-18 09:45 AM - Post#242248    
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Stadium stream was horrible, missing huge amounts of game action after every commercial break.

I don’t remember this resounding dunk from Ben Robertson...maybe it was during one of those missed segments.
https://twitter.com/bucknell_mbb/status/9 494785751...

 
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01-06-18 10:10 AM - Post#242249    
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  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
  • bison63 Said:
Stadium stream was horrible, missing huge amounts of game action after every commercial break.

I don’t remember this resounding dunk from Ben Robertson...maybe it was during one of those missed segments.
https://twitter.com/bucknell_mbb/status/9 494785751...




The dunk was fairly late in the first half, about 40 seconds after the final media timeout for that half, so it is possible - if Stadium was really incompetent - that they were still out on an extra-long commercial break.




 
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01-06-18 10:15 AM - Post#242250    
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Army trip was great - two fireplaces at the Thayer. One in the Patton Pub (gas) and a huge beautiful medieval type in the lobby (wood). We asked to put the one on in the pub and they complied. Upon leaving we asked at the desk why the lobby one wasn’t burning...you would have thought I had 3 eyes. The response after some internal checking was they “had no wood”!If you’re not going to have burning during a blinding snowstorm and 5’F then when?

Highland Falls (hint Paulie) was rockin’ ... think Madi Gras.

Observations:

1. V good TEAM effort...guys were cheering on teammates and having fun competing
2. Bison showed they could play good team defense if they’re so inclined. Thought Sotos defensive game was exceptional which lent confidence to his offense and floor game...despite high TO total. Couldn’t tell if one backcourt violation was in fact deflected off his knee but I certainly didn’t let the refs know that. Back to the D, we actually turned penetrating guards on a number of occasions (both in the HC and in transition). Also forced higher DoD on drives to the hoop. Baseline help was generally good although late on occasion...large number of blocks hid some sins but that goes back to why it was a good team effort. Generally, much better job keeping people in front of us.
3. Very unselfish games by Nana and Zach
4. Army is very young (1 Sr.) and puts a lot of pressure on you.
5. Couple of bad mental decisions by the PG’s in transition (1 on 3) which didn’t matter but could have hurt in close games. I will that #4 gets you into the trap by the sheer pace but you gotta turn around, make them defend for 30 seconds and go back to trying to get it low to NF/NS/Zach
6. Bruce with good back2b contributions

Paulie, what should I do with the second house...you can move in if you bring some Bison girls.

 
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01-06-18 10:30 AM - Post#242251    
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How does Colgate lose at home to Lafayette? Clearly the huge crowd at Cotterell should have gotten them over the hump.

 
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01-06-18 11:10 AM - Post#242253    
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Don't know if you watched the video from Colgate, but I would guess the "crowd" was on the low side of 150. Even poor by Cotterell standards.




 
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01-06-18 12:03 PM - Post#242256    
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Did the 150 include the players, staff, maintenance crew, etc.?
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!


 
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01-06-18 12:06 PM - Post#242257    
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  • Bison89 Said:
Did the 150 include the players, staff, maintenance crew, etc.?




Don't know. But I do know that Colgate's official attendance was 237, and that must have included anyone who drove by the gym while the game was being played.




 
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