Quakers03
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01-08-18 01:13 AM - Post#242634
In response to bradley
The shots continue, but still no response to harping on the "skating" that no one else seems to have seen.
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SRP
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01-08-18 05:14 AM - Post#242640
In response to Quakers03
Watched some big-time college hoops today, which provided useful perspective.
Saw Wichita State obliterate South Florida. What was interesting was that even with a 30+ point lead, the Shockers had more intensity on each possession than the Tigers did on most of theirs Friday. Marshall is unusual in getting his guys to play that hard all the time, but it's interesting to see that higher-level basketball isn't just about size, speed, and skill. (I also Virginia beat UNC, similar level of every-possession intensity.)
Saw Michigan State, ranked #1, go into Ohio State and get smacked in the mouth. Missed threes, trouble defending in the post, too many turnovers. Sound familiar? Stuff like that happens all the time. So probably this Penn game is not much of a harbinger.
Princeton has a good team this year and it should show up (barring injuries). I think 1Lotterypick1969's scouting report on the limitations of some of the players was accurate, but they could get around some of those weaknesses with better team play. The scoring droughts seem to come from a collapse of ball movement and too much immediate one-on-one play. The problems cutting off drives are partly failures of help defense to get over in time. Those are remediable.
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bradley
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01-08-18 09:18 AM - Post#242647
In response to SRP
Cannady acknowledged after the game that Tigers energy level was not at the level that it needed to be, especially during the 1st half -- lesson learned. Henderson was totally exasperated after Lehigh game as he stated that it has been rare indeed when the Tigers do not play hard. May be somewhat of a function of a young team but Coach has to figure out a way for the Tigers to play confident but scared. During the second half, Bell played like a "crazed" man guarding Betley and going to the hoop.
Upcoming weekend will be a good measuring stick. They should be fine but it will be good to see that they are focused from the opening tap. I assume that they will be.
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sparman
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01-08-18 10:02 AM - Post#242650
In response to bradley
What concerns me is that this is not the first time it has been observed the team played with lack of energy. After each prior time, someone (player, coach) "acknowledges" they need more, yet we still see it happen. If the guys cannot understand they need to bring it in the foremost rivalry league game after having played 10 or so games already, I am not confident they will fully appreciate that fact every weekend as the season begins to drag on into winter. Hope I'm proven wrong, of course.
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TheLine
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01-08-18 10:27 AM - Post#242658
In response to TigerFan
I guess the rivalry is officially back on.
Thank you. It's been 10 years in the friggin wilderness. Nice to be good enough to be taken seriously again.
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Tiger69
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01-08-18 11:33 AM - Post#242671
In response to penn nation
If no one were complaining, it wouldn't be the Penn board.
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Tiger69
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01-08-18 11:43 AM - Post#242673
In response to Tiger69
Tournament: Most of us don't like it. Some resigned to it. Players and coaches allegedly like it. Fine. I still haven't heard why the regular champion can't receive NCAA bid and tourney winner an NIT bid. That rightly rewards the 14 game winner and gives a consolation prize to (if there is one) the 2 game wonder.
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palestra38
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01-08-18 11:46 AM - Post#242676
In response to Tiger69
Because it is rare that a 2nd place Ivy team (much less a 4th place team) qualifies for the NIT. The playoff loser rule only applies to regular season champs.
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westphillywarrior
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01-08-18 01:34 PM - Post#242700
In response to PennFan10
"Easy there big fella. I do like the tournament and always have. I think the players love it also. I do think it will help with recruiting and eventually to overall play and stature of the league. I am not getting checks, but am glad to accept any that are sent my way..... "
Sorry to keep fighting a lost cause against the tournament. Was just responding to the Someguy comment that he and Jeff were the only Penn fans in favor of it. Thanks for confirming that was inaccurate.
The huge diminishment of the 14 game season really hurts. What a great season this could have been with Penn, Princeton, Yale and Harvard fighting for the title. Now, does it really make any difference at all whether you finish first or second or third or fourth. Oh well.
And I don't get a check either. It's called direct deposit.
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PennFan10
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01-08-18 02:55 PM - Post#242708
In response to westphillywarrior
well, last year was far more exciting than a Princeton 14-0 season would have been with many fans biting their nails through the final weekend to see who would make the tournament. So two heads to that coin.
The Ivy League was fun to watch down the stretch with games that mattered for the entire league instead of being over after 2 weekends.
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palestra38
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01-08-18 03:10 PM - Post#242712
In response to PennFan10
I disagree. Princeton fans would have been much more energized for their home season had it been a victory parade the last two weekends---I remember the Palestra during the Ibby years and Jerome/Matt years. They were by no means less exciting since we knew what we had accomplished. Princeton was a foul shot away from losing everything they had earned.
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SRP
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01-08-18 04:41 PM - Post#242731
In response to palestra38
The worst part was the attention diversion. Nobody paid attention to the good teams vying for the title or the games between them. Instead it was the battle of bottom-feeders and mediocrities that got all the pixels.
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penn nation
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01-08-18 04:44 PM - Post#242733
In response to SRP
Sounds like a case of P envy to me.
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Tiger69
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01-08-18 06:31 PM - Post#242742
In response to palestra38
Tail wagging dog.
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PennFan10
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01-08-18 07:08 PM - Post#242743
In response to palestra38
I disagree. Princeton fans would have been much more energized for their home season had it been a victory parade the last two weekends---I remember the Palestra during the Ibby years and Jerome/Matt years. They were by no means less exciting since we knew what we had accomplished. Princeton was a foul shot away from losing everything they had earned.
How is that disagreeing? Seems to me 1 fan base was not happy and at least 5 others were nervously rooting their team on for the 4th spot. That's less excitement for Princeton and 4x the excitement for the rest of the league. The IL tournament made our league a lot more interesting for many, many more people (outsiders included). It sucks for the top dog though.
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TigerFan
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01-08-18 09:53 PM - Post#242767
In response to TheLine
I guess the rivalry is officially back on.
Thank you. It's been 10 years in the friggin wilderness. Nice to be good enough to be taken seriously again.
I grew up on Princeton basketball as Jersey kid in the 70s, went to Princeton in the 80s, and have followed the team closely ever since. For most of that time, the Princeton-Penn games were one of the highlights of the winter for me. You guys have really sucked for a long time and I've missed the rivalry. (You still suck, but your team is respectable again.)
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westphillywarrior
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01-08-18 11:33 PM - Post#242784
In response to PennFan10
I disagree. Princeton fans would have been much more energized for their home season had it been a victory parade the last two weekends---I remember the Palestra during the Ibby years and Jerome/Matt years. They were by no means less exciting since we knew what we had accomplished. Princeton was a foul shot away from losing everything they had earned.
How is that disagreeing? Seems to me 1 fan base was not happy and at least 5 others were nervously rooting their team on for the 4th spot. That's less excitement for Princeton and 4x the excitement for the rest of the league. The IL tournament made our league a lot more interesting for many, many more people (outsiders included). It sucks for the top dog though.
So, that's what it's come to. We're going to play those 14 games, all of those grueling road weekends, to see who comes in fourth. Just amazes me that a Penn or Princeton fan could support this thing.
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Tiger69
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01-09-18 12:02 AM - Post#242787
In response to westphillywarrior
Few do. Let's be honest: it is just a second chance for losers, but with the better prize.
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PennFan10
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01-09-18 12:24 AM - Post#242788
In response to Tiger69
I definitely support it. I think it’s a great thing for the league.
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10Q
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01-09-18 09:42 AM - Post#242793
In response to PennFan10
I only support it if Princeton gets screwed by it. Otherwise it sucks.
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