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Username Post: OT: End of Dunphy Era @Temple?        (Topic#20937)
JHG722 
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JHG722
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Reg: 07-07-11
01-24-18 04:52 PM - Post#244541    
    In response to Quakers03

  • Quakers03 Said:
Come back to us in 10 years when the grass is far from greener. You can say a lot of things about Fran, but "pretty terrible recruiter" is not one of them.



I mean, it's a fact. I'm not sure how you could dispute that. He told me himself that it's difficult to recruit bigs because if they're any good, they're playing at Syracuse, which is a loser mentality.

He's never landed a Rivals 4* recruit. His highest ranked recruit was Shizz Alston at #111, which is unacceptable.

He has lost recruits to:

Penn
St. Joe's
La Salle
George Mason
Saint Louis
UMass
Rhode Island
Duquesne
GW
USF
UCF
VCU
Houston
Fresno State
Middle Tennessee State
Nebraska
DePaul
Rice
St. John's
Seton Hall
Penn State
Tulane
South Carolina
UNC Charlotte
Santa Clara

Not exactly a list of heavy hitters in college basketball.

Since 2010, he has landed exactly 1 PF/C from E PA/NJ, and he's one of the worst bigs we've ever had.

All of this could be mitigated if he didn't insist on hiring his good friends as assistants considering they're almost all terrible recruiters too.

 
palestra38 
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Reg: 11-21-04
01-24-18 05:04 PM - Post#244543    
    In response to JHG722

I will say that our Temple friend does seem to reflect the opinion I get from friends who are Temple alums, which is why I opined earlier that I think Dunph will "retire" after this season if he does not make the Tournament.

 
Quakers03 
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Reg: 12-07-04
01-24-18 05:29 PM - Post#244545    
    In response to JHG722

Our big issue with Fran was always in-game coaching. From what I've seen, Fran has had some talent at Temple (Lavoy, Christmas, Obi) and it's not like Chaney was exactly putting out NBA players his last decade. I do think there's a lot to the idea that time has passed Fran by and I have no doubt that you can do better. Where we disagree is the idea that Temple should be a perennial tourney team and that Fran has had no success. Outside of losing in the tourney (good luck finding sympathy from us Penn fans on that front), he had some pretty good seasons with Temple.

 
Quakers03 
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01-24-18 06:38 PM - Post#244549    
    In response to Quakers03

By the way, didn't academic standards also rise and Fran can no longer take a lot of the talent that Chaney could?

 
JHG722 
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JHG722
Loc: Philadelphia, PA
Reg: 07-07-11
01-24-18 06:59 PM - Post#244552    
    In response to Quakers03

My opinion is shared by two message boards of Temple fans. Feel free to look for yourself. There's a very short list of Temple fans still defending Dunphy.

He has had talent. He does a good job of developing talent, or at least had until the last couple years. Now imagine what he could do if he had assistants who could recruit instead of Dave Duke.

Never said he hasn't had success. He's just failed miserably in the NCAA Tournament. John Giannini, who is a terrible coach has made the Sweet Sixteen. It's unfathomable to not reach the Sweet Sixteen once in 12 years with Temple's resources. 21 wins and a first round Tournament loss isn't good enough.

You are right about coaching. Very rarely does he make in-game adjustments. He's also very stubborn about lineups and upper classmen. It's pretty obvious to us that our best lineup is a small lineup with at least two of our freshmen Obi starting at the 5 instead of the 4, but he's trotted out the same losing lineup every game with the exception of when Q Rose was benched for being late to practice or film study whatever it was.

Fran hasn't been able to take non-qualifiers since maybe his first or second year here. The AAC does not allow it. That's not a good excuse for him not landing a single 4* recruit in 12 years.



 
10Q 
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01-24-18 07:10 PM - Post#244553    
    In response to JHG722

The inability to win in the tournament is an enormous black mark on Fran's record, and it's much worse with a program like Temple than it was at Penn. We were just grateful to dance.

 
Big R&B Truth 
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OT: End of Dunphy Era @Temple?
01-24-18 10:03 PM - Post#244574    
    In response to 10Q

  • 10Q Said:
The inability to win in the tournament is an enormous black mark on Fran's record, and it's much worse with a program like Temple than it was at Penn. We were just grateful to dance.



Speak for yourself. The Allen/Malloney team should have done better in the tournament. I was not just grateful to dance.

 
JHG722 
Freshman
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JHG722
Loc: Philadelphia, PA
Reg: 07-07-11
01-24-18 10:53 PM - Post#244581    
    In response to Big R&B Truth

We're currently putting forth one of the worst efforts in the history of college basketball. Our players don't give a crap and have all tuned Dunphy out. No one cares.

 
Big R&B Truth 
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01-24-18 11:45 PM - Post#244589    
    In response to Tiger69

  • Tiger69 Said:
Temple? Sounds like a school for Hasidics. What's the mascot?



It could be a school for Buddhist or Hindus. You need to start thinking more globally in 21st century America.


 
Charlie Fog 
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Loc: Philly
Reg: 11-12-13
01-25-18 07:18 AM - Post#244590    
    In response to JHG722

May I suggest poaching Harvard this go around? It may turn out better for Temple.

 
yoyo 
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Reg: 03-25-09
01-25-18 03:09 PM - Post#244656    
    In response to Charlie Fog

Does anyone have a link to the active TU message board

 
JHG722 
Freshman
Posts: 62
JHG722
Loc: Philadelphia, PA
Reg: 07-07-11
01-25-18 05:00 PM - Post#244664    
    In response to yoyo

  • Charlie Fog Said:
May I suggest poaching Harvard this go around? It may turn out better for Temple.



Ash Howard from Nova is likely our top target if the administration doesn't settle with Aaron McKie.

  • yoyo Said:
Does anyone have a link to the active TU message board




https://scout.com/college/temple/Board/ Cherry-and-...

Enjoy. Our Rivals board is private.

 
yoyo 
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Reg: 03-25-09
01-25-18 05:24 PM - Post#244667    
    In response to JHG722

thanks

 
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