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PennFan10 
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01-10-18 02:47 PM - Post#242887    

Big game this week. Cornell presents some matchup problems we have not faced this year. Matt Morgan, Stone Gettings and Steve Julian. They have two bigs who can (potentiall) match up with ours and they have an elite scorer in Morgan. Morgan and Gettings are top 5 scorers in the league and Julian is the top rebounder and shot blocker (plays almost 30 min a game).

Cornell hasn't played well on the road (2-6 vs 4-1 at home) yet they will be well aware of how poorly they played last year in the Palestra. The guys need to come out on their game.

 
palestra38 
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Re: Cornell
01-10-18 02:55 PM - Post#242889    
    In response to PennFan10

We've done well against Morgan in the past---although he seems to have really stepped up his game offensively this year. Weak defensive player--gotta make him work on the defensive end. As long as we keep him under control, I feel pretty good about this one. I am more concerned with Smith of Columbia.

 
penn nation 
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Re: Cornell
01-10-18 03:13 PM - Post#242898    
    In response to palestra38

The only thing better than beating one coaching ex-Tiger is to beat a second in a week's time.

 
penn nation 
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Re: Cornell
01-10-18 03:15 PM - Post#242899    
    In response to palestra38

  • palestra38 Said:
I am more concerned with Smith of Columbia.



Seconded. As much as Cannady or Bell can go off, Smith--when on--is even more dangerous.


 
SomeGuy 
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Re: Cornell
01-10-18 04:32 PM - Post#242913    
    In response to penn nation

Um, Mike Smith has scored 25 points in a game 4 times in his career, and never more than 28.

Matt Morgan has averaged 25 per game this year. He’s done it twice in 4 games against Penn.

He also does it while paradoxically having a higher ORAT than Smith and a higher usage rate.

The question is defense, of course, but that is Smith’s weakness, too.

Both very good players of course. But i’d take Morgan, and i’m Not sure there is a particularly good statistical or visual argument for Smith.

 
palestra38 
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Re: Cornell
01-10-18 04:46 PM - Post#242914    
    In response to SomeGuy

How about that 20-1 number Smith to Foreman last year at Levien? Morgan really has never beaten us like that, although he has scored 28 and 26 against us in losses. We have beaten Cornell 9 straight times--even when guys like Henry Brooks and DNH were running in slow motion up and down the court. Columbia has been much tougher on us.



 
TheLine 
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01-10-18 08:05 PM - Post#242926    
    In response to palestra38

Matt Morgan scares the crap out of me. Every time I see him play he lights it up. I will likely not watch the Cornell game for just that reason.


 
penn nation 
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01-10-18 08:59 PM - Post#242937    
    In response to TheLine

Cambridge on Brown is going to be a 4 year handful--very, very scary.

 
SomeGuy 
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Re: Cornell
01-11-18 08:44 AM - Post#242963    
    In response to palestra38

Smith’s 20 that day came on sub 40% shooting for the day (including 4 for 12 on 2 pointers). So to me, most of the time when I watch Columbia, they actually would be better off if he didn’t shoot as much. He got his 20, and it was enough to win. But I think they’d be more efficient with better distribution.

Cornell is the opposite. Almost any shot that Morgan doesn’t take is a bad shot.

I do agree that results matter most, and I also think that we’ve matched up better physically with Cornell in recent years. Columbia was tougher than Cornell overall. My guess is that Columbia and Cornell are more comparable this year. Cornell appears to be better than last year, and Columbia seems about the same as last year. We will find out more soon. If the OOC results translate to the conference season, both Columbia and Cornell may seem better this year, as the lack of top 100 teams will lead to more wins for the back half of the conference.

 
SomeGuy 
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01-11-18 08:48 AM - Post#242965    
    In response to penn nation

Yes, to avoid being misunderstood: Smith and Morgan both scare the crap out of me. My message is don’t sleep on Morgan.


 
palestra38 
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Re: Cornell
01-11-18 08:51 AM - Post#242966    
    In response to SomeGuy

You're right, and Morgan may be better without Hatter taking 30 shots, as well.

 
rbg 
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01-11-18 09:13 AM - Post#242967    
    In response to SomeGuy

Cornell can put up lots of points. Morgan will certainly get his 20+ points and is one of the nation's top scorers. Gettings is averaging just under 16 a game and is capable of putting up Morgan-like numbers. Outside of those two, Jack Gordon averages 8.2 points and Steve Julian averages 5.4.

Wil Bathurst, who is not a point guard, was moved to that spot at the beginning of the year. He got injured after playing the first 7 games and is out for the season. Terrance McBride from Sierra Canyon H.S. is now the team's point guard. He is their best perimeter defender, but not experienced.

They put up a high number of threes, but at a slightly below average rate. They do shoot two pointers well.

Julian is one of the top IL rebounders, but his numbers mostly come on the defensive end. Gettings is better with regards to offensive rebounding. As a team, though, their rebounding is not very strong.

Defensively, they giving up almost 81 points a game, the most in the IL. They allow almost 9 threes a game on a league-worst 37.5%. The Big Red don't created much pressure, so they create a low number of steals and turnovers.

Although Morgan and Gettings should get their points, Penn should certainly be able to win this game.



 
Jeff2sf 
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01-11-18 09:14 AM - Post#242968    
    In response to palestra38

gettings is putting up more shots per 40 than Morgan and doing nearly as well offensively.

 
Okoro Dude 
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01-11-18 12:00 PM - Post#243013    
    In response to rbg

They can score, but can't defend. The way we lose is if we fail to capitalize on their bad defense.

I am confident we will sweep. As roughly 10 point favorites for both games, chance of a sweep should be around 2/3.

 
palestra38 
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01-11-18 12:09 PM - Post#243015    
    In response to Okoro Dude

I am hopeful. Wandering 10 years through the basketball desert leaves me vulnerable to overexuberance.

 
AsiaSunset 
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01-11-18 01:27 PM - Post#243019    
    In response to Okoro Dude

Seem to remember a similar comment about Toledo. It doesn’t matter who is playing defense if we don’t put the ball in the basket.

 
palestra38 
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01-11-18 01:32 PM - Post#243021    
    In response to AsiaSunset

Well, Toledo DID put the basketball in the basket, so that was part of the problem, at least.

 
PennFan10 
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01-11-18 08:40 PM - Post#243094    
    In response to palestra38

Toledo shot 61% from 3. If Cornell does that, we lose

 
rbg 
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01-12-18 09:52 AM - Post#243153    
    In response to PennFan10

Game Notes for tonight's contest:
http://www.pennathletics.com/documents/2018/1/11// ...

Same starting lineup. Jelani Williams, Eddie Scott and Tyler Hamilton listed as injured.

One side item, the Penn Game Notes mention that Vince Curran will be with Joe Tordy. The Cornell Game Notes list Katy Allen working with Tordy. She did last week's game againt Princeton. If he is still broadcasting Patriot League games on CBS Sports Network, their game is not until Sunday. Anyone know who will be calling the game?

Philly.com preview: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/college s/corne...

 
palestra38 
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01-12-18 10:02 AM - Post#243156    
    In response to rbg

As long as Vince gives us 10 boards and 10 rebounds a game and slam dunks the winning basket against Temple, he has a job for life here as far as I am concerned.

 
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