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palestra38 
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Re: Cornell
01-15-18 03:07 PM - Post#243626    
    In response to Tiger69

That's certainly true in the Penn-Princeton series. The smaller arenas such as Columbia, Brown and Yale have a much greater home advantage.

 
westphillywarrior 
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Re: Cornell
01-15-18 05:25 PM - Post#243652    
    In response to palestra38

  • palestra38 Said:
That's certainly true in the Penn-Princeton series. The smaller arenas such as Columbia, Brown and Yale have a much greater home advantage.



Are you serious? That's your best theory. The smaller arenas have a much greater home court advantage?


 
palestra38 
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Re: Cornell
01-15-18 05:36 PM - Post#243653    
    In response to westphillywarrior

Now that's true--the Palestra and Jadwin are at best 1/3 full.

That doesn't make a bad team good, however, so I don't quite understand the snarkiness of the response

 
westcoast 
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Re: Cornell
01-15-18 06:20 PM - Post#243656    
    In response to palestra38

Princeton has historically had the largest home court advantage in the Ivy League, averaging over 5 points per game (based on analysis from Mike James). Here is one article from a couple of years ago:

https://paw.princeton.edu/article/extra-point-t her...

 
westphillywarrior 
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Re: Cornell
01-15-18 06:41 PM - Post#243657    
    In response to palestra38

Sorry for the snakiness. It was just that your reasoning seemed pretty strange. You were trying to come up with a reason that playing at Jadwin didn't negatively affect our play as much as playing at the other gyms. And you came up with smaller gyms.

Did you consider that playing at Princeton is a one hour bus ride, jump out, and play basketball. And that playing at the other places are real road trips with long bus rides and playing back to back nights.

 
palestra38 
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Re: Cornell
01-15-18 08:03 PM - Post#243660    
    In response to westphillywarrior

The biggest problem with Jadwin is the horrible depth perception that makes it tough for players who haven't played there much. But as a team, we have played them well at Jadwin over the years when our team was good enough to win. We suffer more shocking losses to, say Dartmouth. And of course, the hard road trip is a major factor. That's included in home court advantage.

 
Old Bear 
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01-15-18 08:41 PM - Post#243661    
    In response to palestra38

I have to agree with '38, noise and fans close to the action can help. I wish we had more of both! Our home record with Penn hasn't been bad in the recent decade and I expect that is true of Yale, as well.

 
bradley 
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01-16-18 10:55 AM - Post#243683    
    In response to JadwinGeorge

It was interesting that Lunardi had Princeton as the 14th seed prior to the loss to Penn. The following week and this week, he has Penn as the 15th seed which is probably based on RPI -- strength of schedule. This year, it may be challenging for Princeton, Penn, Harvard or Yale to get anything better than a 14th seed unless one of the teams finishes with a very strong IL record and then wins the IL tournament as well.

Nice to see Desrosiers receive recognition by IL for his recent play. Over the past 4 games, he is 11 for 17 on 3 pt shots and he is hitting 54% of his 3 pt attempts y-t-d. The vast majority of his 3 pointers are pure swishes with the ball having back spin after hitting the floor like Cannady -- shooters touch. He does need to improve upon his defense. When Much, Jerome and the Big 3 are on the floor, everyone shoots 3 pointers better than 36=%.


 
IvyBballFan 
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01-16-18 01:56 PM - Post#243720    
    In response to bradley

  • bradley Said:
It was interesting that Lunardi had Princeton as the 14th seed prior to the loss to Penn. The following week and this week, he has Penn as the 15th seed which is probably based on RPI -- strength of schedule. This year, it may be challenging for Princeton, Penn, Harvard or Yale to get anything better than a 14th seed unless one of the teams finishes with a very strong IL record and then wins the IL tournament as well.


The bottom ten seeds in the tournament go to the four 15-seeds and the six 16-seeds. Lunardi is right on. Princeton now ranks approximately third in that group, just behind Bucknell and Iona.

The Tigers' main route to even a 14-seed is to win all the way out and hope for a few conference tournament upsets by middlin' teams that have a hot weekend that knocks out regular season champions like Buffalo, Missouri State, East Tennessee, Louisiana-Lafayette, and Towson, that cannot qualify for at-large berths. If a team other than Princeton wins our tournament, that team will certainly be a 15 or 16-seed.

 
penn nation 
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01-16-18 03:04 PM - Post#243727    
    In response to IvyBballFan

  • IvyBballFan Said:
If a team other than Princeton wins our tournament, that team will certainly be a 15 or 16-seed.




Not if Penn does the same thing per your Princeton example and runs the table. 27-5 is not going to be a 15 seed.

 
IvyBballFan 
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01-16-18 04:11 PM - Post#243736    
    In response to penn nation

  • penn nation Said:
  • IvyBballFan Said:
If a team other than Princeton wins our tournament, that team will certainly be a 15 or 16-seed.



Not if Penn does the same thing per your Princeton example and runs the table. 27-5 is not going to be a 15 seed.



Yes, I agree. A W in Saturday-PM's home game against the 80-ish ranked Owls is the crucial first step in having this scenario unfold as you say. It's their only remaining chance to knock off a Top-100 team. Let's go, Quakers!

 
Tiger69 
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01-16-18 04:51 PM - Post#243745    
    In response to penn nation

Wake up, little guy. That will only happen in your alternate reality .

 
penn nation 
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01-16-18 04:55 PM - Post#243746    
    In response to Tiger69

Don't worry--I still think Princeton is the team to beat. They have a much higher upside than Penn.

If Penn goes to any postseason tourney this year, I will be thrilled.

 
Mike Porter 
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01-16-18 05:54 PM - Post#243753    
    In response to penn nation

While going undefeated might get Penn a better seed than 15, let's be clear that it isn't happening. Hell I'd be psyched if we just went 2-0 the next top games and that's a BIG ask.

Kenpom gives a .4% chance of going undefeated the rest of the way. With Penn's FT shooting, let's be real and say it's actually a 0% chance.

That's from a Penn fan. I also completely see Princeton as the favorite despite Penn's win at home. The margins this weekend clearly show what Princeton is capable of and they've played like that for a while now after rough start.

 
SRP 
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01-16-18 07:03 PM - Post#243755    
    In response to Mike Porter

If the Tigers go 11-3 or better, playing the way they have since the Monmouth game, and win the IL folly, I'd expect them to be one of the nastiest 14th seeds of all time. A 15th seed would be absurd. The higher seeded coaches in either bracket would have a right to be miffed with that kind of first-round game--that's exactly what they try to avoid in their non-conference scheduling, no-win situations against dangerous mid-majors.

 
penn nation 
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Cornell
01-16-18 07:46 PM - Post#243756    
    In response to SRP

If Princeton loses 3 Ivy games then all bets are off as far as seeding.

They have zero quality wins to speak of other than the **USC game. They have lost to some very good teams, but most of the teams they have beaten have not been good.

Edited by penn nation on 01-16-18 07:46 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Tiger69 
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01-16-18 08:24 PM - Post#243758    
    In response to penn nation

MUST I remind you PN that we have NOT concluded our OOC games -- we still have Rowan. A big win there coupled with a crushing victory over Penn at Jadwin should guarantee our 14 seed, Hey, BTW, did you get your teacher's certificate from USC?

 
bradley 
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01-16-18 10:27 PM - Post#243765    
    In response to SRP

No Mitch on Mitch Henderson show -- special assignment? Coach Kittles and Cannady were interviewed. Jones asked Coach who improved significantly since his arrival at the beginning of last year. Based on his review of the tape that he reviewed from the prior year before his arrival, his answer was Cannady and Stephens. Why? They work really hard on what they are not good at.

Cannady was asked why the big improvement from the beginning of the year. His answer is that the freshmen are now integrated into the team and they are focused to play. You can tell how much he loves basketball and I am pretty sure that he will be playing professionally somewhere after his Princeton days -- a lot of confidence little fear.

Pretty vanilla but Cannady sounds like a guy looking to get even better. Morgan, Cannady, Oni, Betley may be playing for POY.

 
Tiger84 
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01-17-18 09:26 PM - Post#243864    
    In response to bradley

Looks like Coach H was in Washington State watching an incoming player.

https://twitter.com/NorthCityAAU/status/9 533838419...

 
bradley 
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01-17-18 10:14 PM - Post#243878    
    In response to Tiger84

It says a lot about the commitment and passion of Coach Henderson to hop on a plane to visit a 6'8" recruit who can jump and play defense.

Tigers are fortunate to have Henderson and hopefully, he stays although it would not be the least bit surprising if he receives a good opportunity. Although he can occasionally drive Tiger fans crazy, he has enhanced the program and Princeton is fortunate to have him. Good coaches do not grow on trees. If he goes, I would not be surprised if they reach out to Coach Earl but with his current squad and recruits, he has a bright future if he stays.

 
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