SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts: 1154
Reg: 07-28-07
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01-20-18 10:35 PM - Post#244275
In response to Charlie Fog
It was a PENN rollout. Why do our students care if Dunphy continues to coach Temple?
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10Q
Professor
Posts: 23368
Loc: Suburban Philly
Reg: 11-21-04
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01-20-18 10:37 PM - Post#244276
In response to SteveChop
What do they care about how he did at Penn?
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Big R&B Truth
Masters Student
Posts: 427
Loc: Back Waters of New Englan...
Reg: 11-23-04
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01-20-18 11:02 PM - Post#244279
In response to SteveChop
I found that rollout appalling (and I used to create Penn's rollouts back in the day) and classless. Do these kids have any idea how GREAT a coach Fran was for Penn and how well the program did during his tenure? As someone else would say, "SAD"!
This doesn't seem anywhere near as offensive as this rollout that came out when another former Penn coach visited the Palestra. It went: "Why is Penn State so gay? Because they come out with their Dick Harter."
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mshimmy
Sophomore
Posts: 193
Loc: Miami, FL
Reg: 11-22-04
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01-20-18 11:09 PM - Post#244284
In response to Big R&B Truth
Got video of the Brodeur "foul." I wasn't event mad until now.
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gopenngo
Masters Student
Posts: 487
Reg: 01-30-06
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01-20-18 11:14 PM - Post#244285
In response to SteveChop
The roll-out was in section 205 or 206, and was followed later by "Quakers don't fight off or on the court."
Not the Penn student section.
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omegahouse
Freshman
Posts: 84
Reg: 12-06-04
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01-21-18 02:03 AM - Post#244296
In response to Charlie Fog
The Caleb Wood three may well have been the fulcrum, or play on which the game turned. The Referee crew, or, more accurately, one of the three refs, called an offensive foul on A.J. Given the ebb and flow and pace of the game, the call was (at best) way off. Seeing it play out in plain sight right in front of us, it was bizarre. Wood’s three may well have turned the game. Guess we will never know. It goes to show that in The Big Five, Penn has to win, somewhat consistently, to get those sorts of calls to fall its way. Guess it is a “respect†sort of thing.
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palestra38
Professor
Posts: 32809
Reg: 11-21-04
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01-21-18 08:49 AM - Post#244299
In response to omegahouse
If that shot counts, we have a very high chance of winning that game. I still don't know why that call was made, as the call came long after the pick and was made by the outside ref behind the shooter, with the whistle coming on the shot.
If Glen Miller were our coach, he would be moaning how he drew up the perfect play to win the game.
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Tiger69
Postdoc
Posts: 2814
Reg: 11-23-04
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01-21-18 10:34 AM - Post#244303
In response to SteveChop
I absolutely HATE the phony noise, disco, blaring music, etc. that drowns out any spontaneous crowd noise or band music. I would sooner have a quiet gym than phony PA hype. Does ANYONE like it?
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mrjames
Professor
Posts: 6062
Loc: Montclair, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
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01-21-18 10:37 AM - Post#244304
In response to palestra38
I've taken a bunch of looks at it. My guess is that the awkwardness of how the defender shifted to the side to get out of the way of it might have made it look in live action like your typical hip check pick foul, where you keep your feet stationary, but bump the defender by shifting your hips or upper body.
It wasn't an illegal screen though. Minor upper body move, yes. Could you call that... maybe... but only if you've been making pure, stationary screens a point of emphasis all game, which I didn't get the impression they were doing.
Still think it was more about what the defender did to avoid it (which I don't think was intentional to draw a foul) that made it look like an illegal screen than anything.
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palestra38
Professor
Posts: 32809
Reg: 11-21-04
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01-21-18 10:49 AM - Post#244305
In response to mrjames
Can you calculate Penn's percentage likelihood of winning had that shot counted?
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section110
Masters Student
Posts: 847
Loc: south jersey
Reg: 11-22-04
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01-21-18 10:53 AM - Post#244306
In response to Tiger69
No and they rolled out some dopey announcer lady who is so knowledgeable about things Palestra that she had to read the promos from note cards. They took the individual scoring/fouls off the Yang Family scoreboard this year to fit in two ads. I guess we can assume that the current administration has no idea or cares about what makes the Palestra sacred.
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mrjames
Professor
Posts: 6062
Loc: Montclair, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
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01-21-18 12:00 PM - Post#244311
In response to palestra38
One of the many WP calculators has to have some way of adjusting what happened to see WP change. I don't know of where to look off hand (I probably should...), but I'd suspect it has to exist out there...
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mrjames
Professor
Posts: 6062
Loc: Montclair, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
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01-21-18 01:07 PM - Post#244315
In response to mrjames
Actually can kinda back into it because Penn took the 3 pt lead on the previous possession. At that point, Temple was 28.5% to win. When it scored to knot it at 51, it was now 43.5% to win (because it didn’t have the ball). That next possession was the one where Wood hit the waved off 3. Temple moved to 54% to win because now it was tied and it had the ball. Assuming that the odds to win would have been similar (but slightly worse) than when it trailed 51-48, Temple being down 54-51 would have had it at, say, 25ish percent to win instead of 54%.
So that call flipped it from Penn solidly favored to win (but not guaranteed) to Temple as a slight favorite.
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SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts: 1154
Reg: 07-28-07
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01-21-18 01:56 PM - Post#244318
In response to gopenngo
When I saw the one about "Done-phy", it was in front of the Penn band.
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LyleGold
PhD Student
Posts: 1712
Reg: 11-22-04
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01-21-18 02:00 PM - Post#244320
In response to Tiger69
As bad as it was last night, the noise was even worse last weekend against Cornell and Columbia. I complained about it heavily and had my fingers in my ears during timeouts. The whole building vibrated and I got a serious headache. I can't believe the coaches can be pleased. Can the players even hear them in the huddle? At least they turned down the volume a little bit, but it's still horrible, horrible, horrible!
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SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts: 1154
Reg: 07-28-07
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01-21-18 02:01 PM - Post#244321
In response to section110
I might note that the "screaming lady" has only been there for the Toledo and Temple games - notice anything consistent about the results from those two games. It's GOTTA GO but not from a superstitious standpoint - however, if that's the justification to get rid of it, it's fine with me.
The other "new" Big Five wrinkle that we saw yesterday is that the visiting team (Temple) is not allowed to bring it's band - I guess that's so you can hear the disco better. As I think we're the visiting team next week (since we've been the home team against LaSalle and Temple), does that mean the Penn band can't come next Saturday?
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LyleGold
PhD Student
Posts: 1712
Reg: 11-22-04
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01-21-18 02:08 PM - Post#244323
In response to mshimmy
I've watched the play dozens of times including in slow motion. The ref who made the call was in perfect position behind Wood to see the Temple player coming around the screen. If anyone was in position to make the call, it was he. However, there is no way AJ set an illegal screen. He was well established and didn't move his feet at all. Perhaps he leaned his hip slightly, but there was no contact as the Temple defender came around him. The Temple player did flail his arms and gave the impression of it being much more than it really was, which the ref reacted to. Nonetheless, it was total garbage considering how many times I saw Temple players moving between Penn defenders and Temple ballhandlers. I was screaming about it throughout the game, but it was never called.
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PennFan10
Postdoc
Posts: 3585
Reg: 02-15-15
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01-21-18 02:54 PM - Post#244327
In response to LyleGold
It was a bad call at a bad time. They scored to make it 53-51. Subsequently: AJ missed 2 shots on successive possessions to tie it, Max missed FT's to tie, Darnell missed a layup to bring it back to one possession and Temple made FT's.
Despite the ref, we had our chances and didn't execute.
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JHG722
Freshman
Posts: 62
Loc: Philadelphia, PA
Reg: 07-07-11
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01-21-18 05:25 PM - Post#244334
In response to gopenngo
Also, what is with this utterly classless rollout produced by Penn fans?
“Greatness doesn't quit but Done-phy should."
That came from the classless Temple "fans." One of those morons has been trolling this board.
Unless our student section infiltrated Penn's, which I highly doubt based on how terrible and lazy they've become since I graduated, you are incorrect.
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Quakers03
Professor
Posts: 12530
Reg: 12-07-04
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01-22-18 02:08 PM - Post#244381
In response to JHG722
Why in the world are big 5 opponents not allowed to bring their bands?? It even looked like there were seats saved for them. And to confirm, the awful Done-Phy rollout was indeed one of our own.
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