Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts: 1899
Reg: 11-29-04
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01-22-18 02:57 PM - Post#244386
In response to Quakers03
Why in the world are big 5 opponents not allowed to bring their bands?? It even looked like there were seats saved for them. And to confirm, the awful Done-Phy rollout was indeed one of our own.
Hmmm... that was a witty rollout but very distasteful to many of us long term fans.
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palestra38
Professor
Posts: 32809
Reg: 11-21-04
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01-22-18 03:44 PM - Post#244392
In response to Penndemonium
I still want to know why that illegal pick was called with the whistle after the shot. For a great game to come down to that kind of non-contact BS is just ridiculous.
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Tiger69
Postdoc
Posts: 2814
Reg: 11-23-04
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01-22-18 04:04 PM - Post#244394
In response to Quakers03
Another thing that makes Philadelphia so lovable....
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Quakers03
Professor
Posts: 12530
Reg: 12-07-04
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01-22-18 04:08 PM - Post#244396
In response to palestra38
I'm still mad about this too. I want to know if coach ever received an explanation. It soured what would have been the perfect Philly sports weekend. Of course we still might have lost, but to make that call after not making one all game was beyond bad. I don't think their big freshman was set for a single screen. He was constantly moving and it was never called.
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palestra38
Professor
Posts: 32809
Reg: 11-21-04
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01-22-18 04:20 PM - Post#244398
In response to Quakers03
Correct. And there simply was no contact here. We hit that shot (leaving aside the fact that I think there was a foul on the shot attempt as well) and they need a couple of scores with less than 2 minutes. Certainly, it would have finished differently.
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westphillywarrior
Sophomore
Posts: 196
Age: 43
Reg: 01-08-11
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01-22-18 04:51 PM - Post#244401
In response to Quakers03
I'm still mad about the screaming lady and the disco music.
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kgupta
Freshman
Posts: 36
Loc: South New Jersey
Reg: 08-20-05
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01-22-18 05:55 PM - Post#244406
In response to Quakers03
Hi there -
Yeah, unfortunately, this is a new Big 5 AD rule as was communicated to us at the beginning of the year. The Penn Band really wanted to be at the local Big 5 away games for both men's and women's this season, but was locked out.
But it was already the case that many pep bands have simply fallen out of the habit of travelling to away athletic events outside of their conference tourneys. This reflects the way the college basketball world has been heading for quite a while: fewer and fewer opportunities for visiting bands and cheerleaders.
The Ivies might be one of the last few conferences around where visiting bands can go out to away venues and perform fight songs for their teams. Rarely is it now that we can visit another school out of our conference or outside of a postseason tourney.
cheers,
Kushol
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PennFan10
Postdoc
Posts: 3585
Reg: 02-15-15
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01-22-18 06:01 PM - Post#244408
In response to palestra38
I still want to know why that illegal pick was called with the whistle after the shot. For a great game to come down to that kind of non-contact BS is just ridiculous.
We had our chances after this bad call. It did not come down to this.....
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mrjames
Professor
Posts: 6062
Loc: Montclair, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
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01-22-18 06:06 PM - Post#244409
In response to palestra38
"Certainly" is a bit overstated, but it was about as high-leverage a call as is possible outside of the final couple possessions.
I'd be curious to hear what the ref would say walking through the tape. I suspect "fooled by the way the defender came off the screen" would have to be the explanation.
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palestra38
Professor
Posts: 32809
Reg: 11-21-04
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Temple
01-22-18 06:53 PM - Post#244413
In response to PennFan10
Oh come on. Instead of trying to come from behind, we would have been ahead 2 possessions. It was as critical a call as can be made. Could we have won it anyway? Sure, but that isn't the issue. I think Temple would have folded had that shot counted. They were on the brink several times. I don't bitch about non-calls---that happens in the heat of the game. But a blatant incorrect call taking away a 3 point shot with less than 2 minutes to go and the game tied is totally different.
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PennFan10
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Reg: 02-15-15
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01-22-18 07:05 PM - Post#244415
In response to palestra38
I agree it was a bad call at a critical time. My point is we still had 3 possessions to tie it AFTER that call and couldn't. It's not like they lit it up after that call, they got a tough, contested 2 after that possession and then we got 3 possessions to tie it and got nada. Then Brown hits the 3 and free throws ensued.
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Quakers03
Professor
Posts: 12530
Reg: 12-07-04
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01-22-18 09:04 PM - Post#244427
In response to kgupta
But what is the reasoning behind it? To make more seats available?
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penn nation
Professor
Posts: 21193
Reg: 12-02-04
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01-22-18 09:23 PM - Post#244429
In response to Quakers03
Leges sine....
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westphillywarrior
Sophomore
Posts: 196
Age: 43
Reg: 01-08-11
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01-22-18 09:48 PM - Post#244431
In response to penn nation
Meshuga.
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Ted
Junior
Posts: 222
Reg: 12-23-12
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01-23-18 12:09 AM - Post#244443
In response to SteveChop
“Screaming Lady†was also there for the Princeton game, and she was equally as annoying and obnoxious then too. At least we won that one, but she’s gotta go anyway, along with the godawful disco. And while we’re at it, given the malaise of the last ten years, I personally could do without the pretentious “smoke and mirrors†show prior to the Penn players being introduced. Cringeworthy and embarrassing, IMHO.
Finally, isn’t our old pal Steve Bilsky still the “commissioner†(or whatever) of the Big Five? Perhaps some of these stupid rules about the bands, etc. are partly his doing? And is there one thing that he has done in that job to promote the Big Five? Or is he trying to kill that program too, like he almost did to ours?
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Streamers
Professor
Posts: 8236
Loc: NW Philadelphia
Reg: 11-21-04
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01-23-18 01:48 PM - Post#244454
In response to Ted
we must sound like a bunch of old fogeys to the younger fans, but all the gimmickry is really hard to swallow - put a winner on the court and everything else will take care of itself. You think they would resort to think kind of BS at Duke?
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section110
Masters Student
Posts: 847
Loc: south jersey
Reg: 11-22-04
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01-23-18 01:54 PM - Post#244460
In response to Ted
Thanks for encapsulating the problem with the current & Bilsky marketing apparatus. The screaming & the disco just add to the debasement of what the Palestra is and means. It did start with the embarrassing hokum introductions & light show. I refuse to turn around to watch that. Maybe it is fogeyism; but when you have a Cathedral you treat it with respect. When you have the Big Five you let the schools send their bands to away Big Five games.
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omegahouse
Freshman
Posts: 84
Reg: 12-06-04
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 01-23-18 02:46 PM - Post#244465
In response to section110
Couldn't agree more with the comments regarding "The Screaming Lady" and the pounding disco music. Both of those "additions" to the Palestra experience are absolutely terrible. Cringe-inducing, in fact. Is there a particular person at DRIA to whom objections may be addressed, and expressed?
Thanks!
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QHoops
Senior
Posts: 369
Reg: 12-16-04
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01-23-18 03:22 PM - Post#244467
In response to omegahouse
Anyone have access to an actual undergraduate for an opinion on the screams and bad music. Could it be that they like it?
Or is it a middle-aged administrators guess as to something college kids would like.
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yoyo
Senior
Posts: 365
Reg: 03-25-09
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01-23-18 04:16 PM - Post#244472
In response to QHoops
Can we trade the screaming lady for streamers?
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