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Username Post: We've Moved up to a 15th Seed!        (Topic#21044)
palestra38 
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01-26-18 04:48 PM - Post#244719    

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketba ll/bracke...

We'll CRUSH Kansas!

 
Cvonvorys 
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Re: We've Moved up to a 15th Seed!
01-29-18 02:29 PM - Post#245089    
    In response to palestra38

Still a 15 seed, but now we're staying in the East.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketba ll/bracke...

Auburn is beatable, right?

 
yoyo 
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01-29-18 02:40 PM - Post#245092    
    In response to Cvonvorys

What is the weather like in Nashville in March? Should I bring my golf clubs?

 
Cvonvorys 
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01-29-18 02:47 PM - Post#245096    
    In response to yoyo

Bring your clubs and your appetite. Tons of great bars and restaurants. Stay thirsty, my friend...

 
yoyo 
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01-30-18 03:41 PM - Post#245170    
    In response to Cvonvorys

Sounds like my kind of place. Any good Brew Pubs?

 
mrjames 
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We've Moved up to a 15th Seed!
01-30-18 03:48 PM - Post#245172    
    In response to yoyo

I think Princeton could make the 14 or even the 13 with enough other conf tourney losses, and that Penn could make the 14 line. Harvard's ceiling is probably the 15. Anyone else is looking at a 16/Dayton.

The big determinant here will be how well Harvard, Penn and Princeton hold serve against the rest of the league. All three would be Top 100 RPI if they win out and Top 125 if they lose only two. If the winner of the league only hits 10-4 or so, our ceiling declines dramatically.

 
palestra38 
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Re: We've Moved up to a 15th Seed!
01-30-18 03:50 PM - Post#245173    
    In response to mrjames

I think only Princeton is capable of losing no more than 1 more. But both Ps have so many road games in front of them that this schedule is shaping up to be brutal.

 
penn nation 
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Re: We've Moved up to a 15th Seed!
01-30-18 04:12 PM - Post#245176    
    In response to mrjames

I think the 14 seed may be as good as it gets for the Ivy League this year. Can you think of any other year where Ivy teams have done, collectively, so lousy OOC?

There's really no single OOC victory to hang one's hat on--that Princeton-USC game is such an outlier in that it in no way resembles whatever USC squad will be out on the floor for a post-season tourney appearance.

The best thing we can really say in terms of any IL team OOC is that Princeton has played quite competitively against some upper tier teams, even as they have not resulted in wins.

If Princeton would have been able to finish 14-0 in the IL and then win the tourney perhaps the envelope could have been pushed. But that ship has already sailed.

Edited by penn nation on 01-30-18 04:14 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
mrjames 
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Re: We've Moved up to a 15th Seed!
01-30-18 04:42 PM - Post#245182    
    In response to penn nation

From a wins perspective we'd have to go way back.

To be fair, though, a LOT of Ivies have played competitively in Column 1 and 2 games (Brown took a Tier 1 oppt - Provy - to overtime; Cornell has a Tier 2 win at Toledo; Penn has a Tier 2 win at Dayton; Harvard was close in a bunch of Tier 2 ones; Columbia was close in some Tier 2 games, etc.). The game score averages are pretty middle of the pack, which would indicate that this isn't the worst OOC performance we've seen - it just didn't generate a lot of notable wins.

There are usually about 8 or so upsets in conf tourney play of which most of the 16 line gets populated. If there are more than usual, it can have a real effect to push teams up to surprising heights. And the one-bid league discussion won't get to the detail of "what USC team Princeton faced." That'll be a seed-line changing win for the Tigers.

But yeah, with a reasonable year of upsets, 13 is probably not realistic.

 
SRP 
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01-30-18 07:32 PM - Post#245192    
    In response to mrjames

I've watched USC a lot, and they've played plenty of winning basketball against tough competition without Boatwright being available. The Penn posters' obsession with knocking down that win is laughable.

 
penn nation 
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01-30-18 07:49 PM - Post#245196    
    In response to SRP

You guys had enough trouble with AJ and Max.



  • SRP Said:
I've watched USC a lot, and they've played plenty of winning basketball against tough competition without Boatwright being available. The Penn posters' obsession with knocking down that win is laughable.




 
section110 
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01-31-18 11:37 AM - Post#245237    
    In response to SRP

Can we talk now about the St. Joe's loss, then?

 
SRP 
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01-31-18 02:03 PM - Post#245249    
    In response to section110

Try Lehigh while you're at it. Some bad early losses this year.

 
10Q 
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01-31-18 05:03 PM - Post#245276    
    In response to SRP

Are we discussing Princeton sucking? This deserves its own thread.

 
Mike Porter 
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01-31-18 07:28 PM - Post#245297    
    In response to SRP

  • SRP Said:
I've watched USC a lot, and they've played plenty of winning basketball against tough competition without Boatwright being available. The Penn posters' obsession with knocking down that win is laughable.



So just to clarify... by Penn posters, I think you mean Penn Nation. I don’t really get his harping on it either (easily and by far the best Ivy win even if they had another starter out).

Sorry PN, I’m not sure I get the focus on it.

 
penn nation 
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01-31-18 08:16 PM - Post#245307    
    In response to Mike Porter

I’ll even stipulate that it was the best Ivy win of the year. But that’s by default. I’d put Penn’s defeat of Princeton as #2.



 
Tiger69 
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01-31-18 11:25 PM - Post#245336    
    In response to penn nation

PN's preoccupation with dismissing P's win over USC probably has some simple explanation. Maybe one of his boy or girl chicks is a student there.

 
JadwinGeorge 
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02-01-18 08:47 AM - Post#245347    
    In response to penn nation

Good win for the Quakers, a rare Ivy loss for the Tigers. Fascinating to watch Henderson build a very productive, nationwide recruiting network, a supportive coaching staff and a current roster of contented role players 9 or 10 deep. Henderson was successful with the holdovers from the Johnson team but really hit his stride when Weisz, Cook, Brase, Bell, et al. signed up. Donahue turned things around quickly, although not unexpectedly, setting the stage for a new era of hostility at the south end of the Ivy League. For me the likelihood of three Penn games each year is delicious, even in the face of a not insignificant HCA at The Cathedral. Henderson record: 67-22 in the Ivies in 6+ seasons, 30-3 since 2015-16.

 
10Q 
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02-01-18 10:47 AM - Post#245366    
    In response to JadwinGeorge

Yes, it's time this rivalry got competitive again.

 
yoyo 
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02-01-18 11:22 AM - Post#245371    
    In response to 10Q

Return to Normalcy

 
Cvonvorys 
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02-01-18 11:28 AM - Post#245373    
    In response to yoyo

According to the latest Bracketology, we are now on the outside looking in:

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketba ll/bracke...

Hopefully this changes after this weekend's games.

 
mrjames 
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02-01-18 11:47 AM - Post#245375    
    In response to Cvonvorys

If you sweep, there's a ~70% chance you're back in the top slot after the dust clears Saturday night.

 
yoyo 
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02-01-18 12:15 PM - Post#245380    
    In response to Cvonvorys

Lunardi is just a sore loser

 
PennFan10 
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02-01-18 12:47 PM - Post#245384    
    In response to yoyo

The USC coach used the absence of 4 regular players as an excuse for the loss. That’s not PN talking. It’s an asterisk at best. Princeton sucks.

 
10Q 
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02-01-18 12:57 PM - Post#245385    
    In response to PennFan10

Getting our old bravado back I see.

 
T.P.F.K.A.D.W. 
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02-01-18 01:12 PM - Post#245388    
    In response to mrjames

  • mrjames Said:
If you sweep, there's a ~70% chance you're back in the top slot after the dust clears Saturday night.


And a 20% chance of showers, regardless of how the games turn out.

 
TheLine 
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We've Moved up to a 15th Seed!
02-01-18 01:46 PM - Post#245394    
    In response to PennFan10

That win against USC is important.

Penn beat Princeton
Princeton beat USC
USC beat Stanford
Stanford beat Arizona St
Arizona St beat Xavier
Xavier beat Butler
Butler beat Villanova


 
palestra38 
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Re: We've Moved up to a 15th Seed!
02-01-18 01:57 PM - Post#245396    
    In response to TheLine

Naw---I can beat it without USC.

Penn beat Dayton

Dayton beat St. Bonaventure

The Bonnies beat Syracuse

Syracuse beat Maryland

Maryland beat Butler

Butler beat Villanova

 
TheLine 
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02-01-18 03:36 PM - Post#245411    
    In response to palestra38

Or the bank shot off Harvard:

Penn
Monmouth
Manhattan
Harvard
UMass
Providence
Butler
Villanova


 
Silver Maple 
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02-01-18 04:35 PM - Post#245422    
    In response to TheLine

More fun with the transitive property:

Time is Money.
Money talks.
Talk is cheap.
So time is cheap.

 
yoyo 
Sophomore
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Reg: 03-25-09
02-07-18 03:57 PM - Post#246801    
    In response to yoyo

15th seed playing Michigan St as of 2/5. maybe down to a 14 after trouncing Princeton?

 
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