palestra38
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01-26-18 05:48 PM - Post#244719
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketba ll/bracke...
We'll CRUSH Kansas!
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Cvonvorys
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Re: We've Moved up to a 15th Seed!
01-29-18 03:29 PM - Post#245089
In response to palestra38
Still a 15 seed, but now we're staying in the East.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketba ll/bracke...
Auburn is beatable, right?
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yoyo
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01-29-18 03:40 PM - Post#245092
In response to Cvonvorys
What is the weather like in Nashville in March? Should I bring my golf clubs?
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Cvonvorys
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01-29-18 03:47 PM - Post#245096
In response to yoyo
Bring your clubs and your appetite. Tons of great bars and restaurants. Stay thirsty, my friend...
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yoyo
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01-30-18 04:41 PM - Post#245170
In response to Cvonvorys
Sounds like my kind of place. Any good Brew Pubs?
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mrjames
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We've Moved up to a 15th Seed!
01-30-18 04:48 PM - Post#245172
In response to yoyo
I think Princeton could make the 14 or even the 13 with enough other conf tourney losses, and that Penn could make the 14 line. Harvard's ceiling is probably the 15. Anyone else is looking at a 16/Dayton.
The big determinant here will be how well Harvard, Penn and Princeton hold serve against the rest of the league. All three would be Top 100 RPI if they win out and Top 125 if they lose only two. If the winner of the league only hits 10-4 or so, our ceiling declines dramatically.
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palestra38
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Re: We've Moved up to a 15th Seed!
01-30-18 04:50 PM - Post#245173
In response to mrjames
I think only Princeton is capable of losing no more than 1 more. But both Ps have so many road games in front of them that this schedule is shaping up to be brutal.
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penn nation
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Re: We've Moved up to a 15th Seed!
01-30-18 05:12 PM - Post#245176
In response to mrjames
I think the 14 seed may be as good as it gets for the Ivy League this year. Can you think of any other year where Ivy teams have done, collectively, so lousy OOC?
There's really no single OOC victory to hang one's hat on--that Princeton-USC game is such an outlier in that it in no way resembles whatever USC squad will be out on the floor for a post-season tourney appearance.
The best thing we can really say in terms of any IL team OOC is that Princeton has played quite competitively against some upper tier teams, even as they have not resulted in wins.
If Princeton would have been able to finish 14-0 in the IL and then win the tourney perhaps the envelope could have been pushed. But that ship has already sailed.
Edited by penn nation on 01-30-18 05:14 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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mrjames
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Re: We've Moved up to a 15th Seed!
01-30-18 05:42 PM - Post#245182
In response to penn nation
From a wins perspective we'd have to go way back.
To be fair, though, a LOT of Ivies have played competitively in Column 1 and 2 games (Brown took a Tier 1 oppt - Provy - to overtime; Cornell has a Tier 2 win at Toledo; Penn has a Tier 2 win at Dayton; Harvard was close in a bunch of Tier 2 ones; Columbia was close in some Tier 2 games, etc.). The game score averages are pretty middle of the pack, which would indicate that this isn't the worst OOC performance we've seen - it just didn't generate a lot of notable wins.
There are usually about 8 or so upsets in conf tourney play of which most of the 16 line gets populated. If there are more than usual, it can have a real effect to push teams up to surprising heights. And the one-bid league discussion won't get to the detail of "what USC team Princeton faced." That'll be a seed-line changing win for the Tigers.
But yeah, with a reasonable year of upsets, 13 is probably not realistic.
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SRP
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01-30-18 08:32 PM - Post#245192
In response to mrjames
I've watched USC a lot, and they've played plenty of winning basketball against tough competition without Boatwright being available. The Penn posters' obsession with knocking down that win is laughable.
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penn nation
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01-30-18 08:49 PM - Post#245196
In response to SRP
You guys had enough trouble with AJ and Max.
I've watched USC a lot, and they've played plenty of winning basketball against tough competition without Boatwright being available. The Penn posters' obsession with knocking down that win is laughable.
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section110
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Loc: south jersey
Reg: 11-22-04
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01-31-18 12:37 PM - Post#245237
In response to SRP
Can we talk now about the St. Joe's loss, then?
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SRP
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01-31-18 03:03 PM - Post#245249
In response to section110
Try Lehigh while you're at it. Some bad early losses this year.
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10Q
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01-31-18 06:03 PM - Post#245276
In response to SRP
Are we discussing Princeton sucking? This deserves its own thread.
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Mike Porter
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01-31-18 08:28 PM - Post#245297
In response to SRP
I've watched USC a lot, and they've played plenty of winning basketball against tough competition without Boatwright being available. The Penn posters' obsession with knocking down that win is laughable.
So just to clarify... by Penn posters, I think you mean Penn Nation. I don’t really get his harping on it either (easily and by far the best Ivy win even if they had another starter out).
Sorry PN, I’m not sure I get the focus on it.
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penn nation
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01-31-18 09:16 PM - Post#245307
In response to Mike Porter
I’ll even stipulate that it was the best Ivy win of the year. But that’s by default. I’d put Penn’s defeat of Princeton as #2.
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Tiger69
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02-01-18 12:25 AM - Post#245336
In response to penn nation
PN's preoccupation with dismissing P's win over USC probably has some simple explanation. Maybe one of his boy or girl chicks is a student there.
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JadwinGeorge
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02-01-18 09:47 AM - Post#245347
In response to penn nation
Good win for the Quakers, a rare Ivy loss for the Tigers. Fascinating to watch Henderson build a very productive, nationwide recruiting network, a supportive coaching staff and a current roster of contented role players 9 or 10 deep. Henderson was successful with the holdovers from the Johnson team but really hit his stride when Weisz, Cook, Brase, Bell, et al. signed up. Donahue turned things around quickly, although not unexpectedly, setting the stage for a new era of hostility at the south end of the Ivy League. For me the likelihood of three Penn games each year is delicious, even in the face of a not insignificant HCA at The Cathedral. Henderson record: 67-22 in the Ivies in 6+ seasons, 30-3 since 2015-16.
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10Q
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02-01-18 11:47 AM - Post#245366
In response to JadwinGeorge
Yes, it's time this rivalry got competitive again.
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yoyo
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02-01-18 12:22 PM - Post#245371
In response to 10Q
Return to Normalcy
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