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Username Post: Harvard game-an opinion        (Topic#21077)
internetter 
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02-01-18 09:01 PM - Post#245447    

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cc66 
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02-02-18 06:40 AM - Post#245479    
    In response to internetter

He says we will cover the 1 pt spread.

I was shocked that after winning by 26 at home, we lost by 1 at Cornell. The shock will be equal if more pleasant if we somehow manage to slip by Harvard at home.

 
Chet Forte 
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02-02-18 09:36 AM - Post#245488    
    In response to cc66

Smith has to play better in crunch time. He could have been a hero last Saturday but missed two critical free throws and an open three. He is in a bit of a slump right now. Hopefully he shows up big tonight. We will need Meisner to have a big game as well. The game notes show the same starting lineup, which many of us have criticized again, but I guess that Engles doesn’t read this blog.


 
SomeGuy 
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02-02-18 09:56 AM - Post#245494    
    In response to cc66

I don’t see why beating Harvard at home would be surprising. Just looking back at last year, a comparable Columbia team beat a much better Harvard team. And like this year, a comparable Columbia team split with a comparable Cornell team. I understand that it is a little frustrating to outplay Cornell overall for 80 minutes and come away 1-1, but I also don’t think the 26 point win was indicative of much other than one team having a really good game and the other having a really bad one. Regardless, Harvard overall hasn’t played that far above Columbia this year — not far enough for a game at Columbia to be anything other than a toss up. The question of course is whether Aiken is able to play (and play like himself) and whether Harvard’s recent record in league play is more indicative of their real level than their pomeroy rank. I don’t think Harvard sweeps the weekend (and if they do, the rest of the league should be thanking their lucky stars that there is a tournament).



 
cc66 
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Harvard game-an opinion
02-02-18 03:41 PM - Post#245608    
    In response to SomeGuy

I understand, KP ranking to KP ranking, why it wouldn't be a surprise for Columbia to defeat Harvard at home: H leads C in KP by about 45 slots, 1 pt = 17 or 18 slots in KP, and home court offers about a 4 pt advantage. In this case, however, KP's H ranking is a lagging indicator that does not reflect the recent upturn in Harvard's performance. That is why I would be quite surprised if Columbia won.

Edited by cc66 on 02-02-18 03:42 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
SomeGuy 
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Re: Harvard game-an opinion
02-02-18 05:18 PM - Post#245625    
    In response to cc66

Curious how much upturn there has really been. They barely swept a team ranked over 300 (the 2nd game in OT), and then they won 2 games on the road that, while pomeroy would predict a split, doesn’t seem at all absurd for a team at Harvard’s level to win. So i’m Not sure they are actually playing any better. Regardless, they are 4-0 with 3 road wins. Another sweep this weekend would put them firmly in the driver’s seat.



 
mrjames 
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Re: Harvard game-an opinion
02-02-18 06:08 PM - Post#245638    
    In response to SomeGuy

Through the Vermont game and headed into its first matchup with Dartmouth, Harvard was No. 208 on the season. Over the past five games (four Ivy wins plus Wofford), Harvard is No. 141 and has been consistently there over the past five.

That's some improvement. Not all that major, but some.

 
Chet Forte 
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02-02-18 08:59 PM - Post#245663    
    In response to mrjames

Smith replaced by Stefanini in starting lineup. Castlin has 12 points in 9 minutes, Meisner has 9. Down by 6. Harvard cannot miss from outside and we cannot guard Towns. Our three point shooting is poor. But otherwise we are playing them tough. I would expect to see Smith in the second half. PS, Harvard is getting most of the calls and the refs aren’t giving us anything.


 
Chet Forte 
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02-02-18 10:04 PM - Post#245698    
    In response to Chet Forte

Fantastic second half. I take back everything I ever said about Engles. He coached a great game.


 
cc66 
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02-02-18 10:07 PM - Post#245702    
    In response to Chet Forte

Adlesh with 20, Smith, Meisner, and Castlin with 16 + one of Tape's best games with 10 and sound defense.

We win by 7, 83-76, and I am very happy to have been so wrong.

 
cc66 
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02-02-18 10:27 PM - Post#245721    
    In response to cc66

ORAT: 1.26 for Columbia, including

Meisner 122
Castlin 144
Tape 127
and Adlesh 164

H's ORAT was 1.15 but we rise 9 slots in KP to 224.

 
Chet Forte 
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02-02-18 10:31 PM - Post#245725    
    In response to cc66

Great game coaching by Engles. Starting Stefanini and bringing Smith off the bench. Best lineup tonight was Meisner, Smith, Adlesh, Castlin and rotating Tape and Faulds.


 
Chet Forte 
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02-02-18 10:34 PM - Post#245727    
    In response to Chet Forte

Re Harvard:excellent outside shooting team, and Towns is an excellent scorer. But I didn’t see much from Lewis, who is huge but not particularly mobile. Their best PG wasn’t 100% and went down with an injury and nobody can really play the point. Smith really excelled in the second half but my MVP was probably Meisner, who has a great all around game.


 
Chet Forte 
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02-02-18 10:38 PM - Post#245729    
    In response to Chet Forte

PS, we had an awful start and couldn’t buy a basket but clawed our way back to 6 down by halftime. We finally roared out of the gate in the second half and basically outplayed Harvard from beginning to end, despite the fact that we couldn’t slow down Towns.


 
Columbia 37P6 
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02-02-18 11:06 PM - Post#245743    
    In response to Chet Forte

By far Columbia's best game of the Engles Era. Castlin was terrific in the first half and then Adlesh, Smith, Meisner and Tape were all great in the second half. Faulds and Castlin were there also. Engles made all the right moves tonight. Cornell just came back to defeat Dartmouth by one point. Columbia needs to come out of the gate strong against Dartmouth tomorrow night. Dartmouth doesn't seem to match up well with the Lions.

 
whitakk 
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02-03-18 01:15 AM - Post#245763    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

Can't believe Harvard made 16 threes and Columbia still won. Adlesh was unreal in that early 2H stretch. Impressed by Smith going from benching/struggling/sitti ng in 1H to be great but not forcing things in 2H.

http://www.nycbuckets.com/2018/02/columbia-tops -ha...

 
TheLine 
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02-03-18 08:53 AM - Post#245773    
    In response to whitakk

This Columbia team has a lot of talent on it. Most of the year the team has played much better in the 1st half than the 2nd, looks like it reversed tonight.


 
Chet Forte 
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02-03-18 09:00 AM - Post#245775    
    In response to whitakk

Meisner had a great all around game, not just offensively and in rebounding but defensively as well. Looks like he may finally be reaching his enormous upside.


 
Silver Maple 
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02-03-18 10:06 AM - Post#245787    
    In response to Chet Forte

Watched a good bit of the replay. Columbia really played very well, and had an excellent game plan. I think that, when the dust has settled at the end of this season, we'll all conclude, despite all the intervening gnashing of teeth, that the program has taken a step forward. Maybe not a huge step, but a step nonetheless. (BTW, it's clear to me that Brown is also a program on the rise.) However, I was also deeply unimpressed with Harvard last night. I know injuries have been a problem, but that program has more talent in it than any other in the conference (at least that's what everybody says). Is it possible that Tommy Amaker's deficiencies as a coach are being exposed?

 
SomeGuy 
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02-03-18 10:12 AM - Post#245788    
    In response to Silver Maple

I should probably leave the Columbia fans alone to enjoy the ups and downs of the season. However, I think last night was a predictable result that doesn’t really show that Columbia is doing anything other than chugging along at a 230 pomeroy type level. Much like the Cornell split. I think Columbia is just going to split a lot of series this year (and win more at home than on the road).

 
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