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Username Post: Princeton Game Thread        (Topic#21117)
TheLine 
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02-06-18 09:03 PM - Post#246643    
    In response to 91Quake

Love that Foreman could score 21 and still not violate Colin's Law.


 
Quakers03 
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02-06-18 09:04 PM - Post#246644    
    In response to penn nation

What a #%$@ performance from Darnell. There was no way he was losing again up here. None. Just awesome.

 
weinhauers_ghost 
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02-06-18 09:08 PM - Post#246645    
    In response to Quakers03

That was a hell of a game. This team has got some guts and grit.

 
penn nation 
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02-06-18 09:09 PM - Post#246646    
    In response to weinhauers_ghost

Last time Princeton lost by that much of a margin at Jadwin:

December 2, 2008 (84-58 to South Carolina)

 
tguru 
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02-06-18 09:09 PM - Post#246647    
    In response to Quakers03

A 20pt win and they spent most of the night unable to capture errant missed kitten shots off the boards.

 
penn nation 
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02-06-18 09:10 PM - Post#246648    
    In response to TheLine

  • TheLine Said:
Love that Foreman could score 21 and still not violate Colin's Law.



With 2 shots to spare!


 
Chip Bayers 
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02-06-18 09:13 PM - Post#246651    
    In response to penn nation

What’s particularly impressive about that for Foreman is that they basically weren’t guarding him from 20-8 feet, backing up and trying to entice him into the floaters he likes, and yet he didn’t force up a bunch of those low percentage 2s despite having all that space to roam.


 
AsiaSunset 
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02-06-18 09:16 PM - Post#246655    
    In response to Chip Bayers

Thought we might squeeze out a win up there, but who expected that kind of butt whipping.

 
SomeGuy 
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02-06-18 09:31 PM - Post#246660    
    In response to AsiaSunset

We even passed them in pomeroy, which those of us who only read the stats needed to see to prove that what our eyes have shown us over two games is really true.

We’re 140, they’re down to 162.

And this may be loser talk, but we’re right on the cusp of more or less clinching an ivy tournament berth. And I was hoping to come out of the weekend no worse than 6-2, so I already need to up my expectations/hopes.

 
penn nation 
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02-06-18 09:37 PM - Post#246663    
    In response to SomeGuy

We jumped from 182 to 140 in one game. Now THAT is impressive, especially this late in the year when it's harder to make larger single leaps or dips.

 
Penndemonium 
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02-06-18 10:00 PM - Post#246669    
    In response to penn nation

Darnell played the best game I've ever seen from him. I've harped on him quite a bit during the summer and early season. His performance shows that I was both right and wrong about him.

Earlier, I said he shot too much, was a low efficiency shooter, didn't keep his head up for assists, and didn't finish in the lane. The ball movement would die once he touched it.

Well, that was true for a while. But suddenly Darnell is playing within himself and really understands his role. He has shown great control. He has avoided the leaning fallaway mid-range shot which he took often but rarely seemed to hit. He has gotten much better at going all the way to the hoop. He doesn't hold the ball like Carmelo anymore - when there isn't anything to do, he dishes it off. He looks very confident as a leader and he is even hitting more FTs. .

It is so strange watching this team compared with last year. Most of the players are the same. But they seem so coachable this year. many of these players seemed so undisciplined in the past. I don't know what came over them, but this year we're seeing. Great teamwork, solid ball movement, good defensive effort, and real tenacity under pressure. Their shooting is improving due to far better shot selection.

My favorite Quaker teams were the '91-92 team and the Rosen Sr. Year team. Both of those teams were incredibly tough and gutsy. This may become my favorite of all if they continue to compete the way they have been.

Go Quakers!





 
Silver Maple 
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02-06-18 10:04 PM - Post#246670    
    In response to Penndemonium

I think the difference is mainly coaching. Guys being a year older is probably #2. Anybody have another explanation?

 
SomeGuy 
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02-06-18 10:04 PM - Post#246671    
    In response to penn nation

I assume Jeff will attack my exuberance, but what a great team win. Love the way the core 6 in the rotation plays offense together. Just pretty to watch, and fun to see how we play smart and exploit matchups. It’s really a pick your poison situation.

After the first game I questioned our decision to reduce Betley’s Motion in the second half and feed AJ. Having now seen it twice, I’ll happily concede I was wrong. Princeton apparently watched the Yale game and the first half and figured there was no need to double AJ. Seems like he just played possum until they let him isolate. And then he scored over and over, just like when people played him straight up last year.

On defense, our starters are versatile and play great team Defense. All of the starters had one of Princeton’s Big Three at some point. Obviously Foreman was the star tonight, guarding Cannady all game. The one possession Foreman sat, Cannady immediately hit a 3. So back came Darnell. He allowed one bucket in 37 minutes against a guy who is a big time scorer this year. While scoring 21 himself.





 
SomeGuy 
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02-06-18 10:13 PM - Post#246673    
    In response to Penndemonium

While that Rosen year was fun, that was a lot of hero ball improvisation. This is so much more thoughtful and structured.

The point about Princeton daring Foreman to shoot midrange is exactly right. Both Foreman and Woods seem very aware of what their historical weaknesses are, and know exactly how to exploit teams trying to exploit them. Wood too — it’s amazing how good he looks without all the turnovers from last year.

 
penn nation 
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Princeton Game Thread
02-06-18 10:16 PM - Post#246676    
    In response to SomeGuy

The Rosen years, you knew darn well who was going to be the hero. This season, as noted, it's more team oriented AND you never know from game to game who the hero will be. Much more satisfying.

I couldn't help but look at the IL press release this week on the POW, ROW and the Honor Roll. There was only one Penn player (Wood, not normally a starter) and despite the gaudy stats of many of the other players listed, Penn was the only team that actually went 2-0 on the week.

Edited by penn nation on 02-06-18 10:18 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
tguru 
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Re: Princeton Game Thread
02-06-18 10:30 PM - Post#246678    
    In response to penn nation


The replay is available on ESPN 3

 
weinhauers_ghost 
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02-06-18 10:58 PM - Post#246680    
    In response to SomeGuy

  • SomeGuy Said:
I assume Jeff will attack my exuberance, but what a great team win. Love the way the core 6 in the rotation plays offense together. Just pretty to watch, and fun to see how we play smart and exploit matchups. It’s really a pick your poison situation.

After the first game I questioned our decision to reduce Betley’s Motion in the second half and feed AJ. Having now seen it twice, I’ll happily concede I was wrong. Princeton apparently watched the Yale game and the first half and figured there was no need to double AJ. Seems like he just played possum until they let him isolate. And then he scored over and over, just like when people played him straight up last year.

On defense, our starters are versatile and play great team Defense. All of the starters had one of Princeton’s Big Three at some point. Obviously Foreman was the star tonight, guarding Cannady all game. The one possession Foreman sat, Cannady immediately hit a 3. So back came Darnell. He allowed one bucket in 37 minutes against a guy who is a big time scorer this year. While scoring 21 himself.







Holding Cannady to 8 points on 2-8 shooting (1-5 from long range) was critical.

 
Penndemonium 
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Re: Princeton Game Thread
02-06-18 11:13 PM - Post#246681    
    In response to penn nation

  • penn nation Said:
The Rosen years, you knew darn well who was going to be the hero. This season, as noted, it's more team oriented AND you never know from game to game who the hero will be. Much more satisfying.

I couldn't help but look at the IL press release this week on the POW, ROW and the Honor Roll. There was only one Penn player (Wood, not normally a starter) and despite the gaudy stats of many of the other players listed, Penn was the only team that actually went 2-0 on the week.



This is all true. I still appreciated that Rosen team because I don't think any team has outperformed their expectations as much as that one - but you are right that it was a completely one dimensional 'run down the clock and let Rosen improvise' strategy. That guy had a will to win like no other.


 
Lefteroo 
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02-06-18 11:40 PM - Post#246683    
    In response to Penndemonium

Great win. Team passes so well. I think SD is a terrific coach.

 
palestra38 
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02-06-18 11:44 PM - Post#246684    
    In response to weinhauers_ghost

It was an awesome performance and despite there being only about 1500 at the game, it was great to be there. As for Cannady, he clearly is injured--he was riding the stationary bike any time he was out of the game. My guess is a back problem, but he was not the same player. But when your opponent is hurting, you put your foot on his throat and crush him. And that is what we did.

Amazing coaching job by Donahue---2nd straight time against Princeton where he made a major adjustment at halftime and it won the game.

 
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