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Username Post: Princeton Game Thread        (Topic#21117)
Okoro Dude 
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Re: Princeton Game Thread
02-07-18 10:13 AM - Post#246716    
    In response to 10Q

No, there is a huge disparity. Those teams were top 50-70 in the country. This team is closer to top 150 and has only beaten one team in the top 150 (#142 Dayton). This team's offense is near the bottom 100 in the country. Allen/Maloney team went 14-0 one year and didn't have a game against an Ivy in single digits.

I am enjoying this team and their gritty play immensely - but let's not go crazy.

 
TheLine 
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02-07-18 10:13 AM - Post#246717    
    In response to palestra38

Princeton was a default #1. Yes, there was a drop-off but what was their competition going to be? Yale was banged up, I don't know what to expect from an Amaker Harvard team, it seemed a year early for Penn, and no other team seemed ready to make the leap.


 
palestra38 
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02-07-18 10:15 AM - Post#246719    
    In response to TheLine

I thought Harvard was the team to beat, but I see your point on who knows what to expect from Amaker teams. With respect to Princeton, it's really tough to win with 3 guards and then freshmen.

 
PennFan10 
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02-07-18 10:45 AM - Post#246725    
    In response to palestra38

We did play well with AJ as the lone big for a stretch. Princeton also did not double him and that’s a mistake. They doubled Max and he dished 6 dimes.

While our offense is better when AJ is the lone big and the other team doesn’t double, our defense and rebounding (the main reason we are in this position) are not sufficient. This teams identity is around defense and rebounding. Likely not going to change.

 
palestra38 
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02-07-18 10:56 AM - Post#246727    
    In response to PennFan10

I wasn't suggesting that---and frankly, given the Iron Man 6 Donahue has gone to, it isn't going to happen. I just think at times, we should let Max come outside and have AJ get the inside on offense.

 
10Q 
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02-07-18 11:09 AM - Post#246729    
    In response to palestra38

The nice thing about our Iron 6 is that we have a ton of solid depth behind them. It's not like we have to bring in freshmen if someone gets in foul trouble.

 
TheLine 
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02-07-18 11:22 AM - Post#246731    
    In response to 10Q

Well, the 7th guy is a Freshman - and he's good enough to take on more minutes.

Scott would also be in the mix if he didn't get injured.


 
SomeGuy 
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02-07-18 11:28 AM - Post#246732    
    In response to PennFan10

Agreed on this. Without Max, we’d have a different identity, and AJ might be averaging 17+ per game. We also wouldn’t be as good overall.

 
penn nation 
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02-07-18 11:34 AM - Post#246733    
    In response to SomeGuy

I brought up Allen-Maloney simply in the context of certain qualities that were fun to watch. I in no way suggested that the current squad is their equal overall and apologize if anyone was left with that impression.

That said I do not think I will get tired of seeing that espn3 replay anytime soon. 😃

 
SomeGuy 
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02-07-18 11:35 AM - Post#246734    
    In response to palestra38

That Princeton team last year was just so versatile. You had a lot of guys who could play inside and out, cover guards or forwards, etc. I thought they could win with 3 two way players and filling in pieces around them. However, the most experienced 5, which would add Young and Brennan to those 3, seems mismatched. There still might be a mix that works for them, and the last two at home are just two games, but it did look like they may need to go back to the drawing board.

 
Streamers 
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02-07-18 12:11 PM - Post#246742    
    In response to penn nation

  • penn nation Said:
I brought up Allen-Maloney simply in the context of certain qualities that were fun to watch. I in no way suggested that the current squad is their equal overall and apologize if anyone was left with that impression.



If we must draw comparisons, I would say this squad more resembles the Jordan/Langel/Romanczuk/R yan teams; they were better (nothing quite like Jordan on this team) but not quite as deep as this crew.

 
SomeGuy 
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Re: Princeton Game Thread
02-07-18 12:14 PM - Post#246744    
    In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.

Maybe, but have we really seen that happen with AJ against anyone? If anything, what I would like about playing a 2 or 3 seed (if we are lucky enough to get there) is that they probably would play AJ one on one. Even very good teams do that at their peril. It’s the same dynamic that resulted in Ugonna getting beaten up by double teams and various stunts in the Ivy season, and then going off against better players in the tourney. Moore and Trice weren’t going to do that against serious high major frontcourts, the win at Michigan notwithstanding.

 
LyleGold 
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Re: Princeton Game Thread
02-07-18 12:19 PM - Post#246745    
    In response to Okoro Dude

Ignoring the part about single digits, the Allen-Maloney team went 14-0 THREE STRAIGHT YEARS.

 
rbg 
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02-07-18 01:00 PM - Post#246746    
    In response to LyleGold

FWIW - looking at 2 and 3 points shooting for the Quakers and their opponents.

Penn 3 Pt Shooting
For the season 34%; In conference 35%
Last night: 38% (9-24; 6-13 1st half & 3-11 2nd half)

Penn Opponents' 3 Pt Shooting
For the season 30%; In conference 26%
Last night: 28% (7-25; 5-13 1st half & 2-12 2nd half)

Penn 2 Pt Shooting
For the season 52%; In conference 52%
Last night: 66% (21-32; 6-16 1st half & 15-16! 2nd half)

Penn Opponents' 2 Pt Shooting
For the season 47%; In conference 50%
Last night: 50% (16-32; 7-15 1st half & 9-17 2nd half)

 
palestra38 
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02-07-18 01:17 PM - Post#246749    
    In response to rbg

And we were 9-21 from 3 before Jones and Donahue managed to brick 3 3-point shots in the last 2 minute garbage time

 
penn nation 
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Princeton Game Thread
02-07-18 03:29 PM - Post#246783    
    In response to rbg

  • rbg Said:

Penn 2 Pt Shooting
For the season 52%; In conference 52%
Last night: 66% (21-32; 6-16 1st half & 15-16! 2nd half)



Just finished watching the 2nd half...again.

Let it be noted that every made 2 point shot in that second half came in the paint, and almost all within a couple of feet from the hoop.

The only miss was far away from the hoop--that was one of the few successful Princeton defensive efforts. Max was double teamed away from the basket, no-one really came to help, and by the time he lobbed a long pass to a teammate we had to throw up a bail out two just to beat the shot clock.

In addition, the momentum shift can't be stressed enough when the officials reversed that offensive foul with Wood vs Cannady. There were 12 minutes left in the game and the lead, which had been 11, was cut to 8. Penn got the ball back and Princeton would never get any closer for the remainder of the contest.


Edited by penn nation on 02-07-18 03:31 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
yoyo 
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Re: Princeton Game Thread
02-07-18 03:30 PM - Post#246784    
    In response to LyleGold

  • LyleGold Said:
Ignoring the part about single digits, the Allen-Maloney team went 14-0 THREE STRAIGHT YEARS.



It is a lot tougher to go 14-0 now in this league.

 
palestra38 
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Re: Princeton Game Thread
02-07-18 03:32 PM - Post#246786    
    In response to penn nation

Well, they looked at it for over 5 minutes, so I gather they got it right. But all it was was Wood straightening up--that's not an offensive foul.

I don't think it would have mattered.

 
penn nation 
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Re: Princeton Game Thread
02-07-18 03:56 PM - Post#246799    
    In response to palestra38

The reversal was warranted. It was also a momentum shifter. Princeton was hanging around up until that point. They could have cut it to a 2 possession game if the call was allowed to stand....and then, who knows.

Instead, after Penn scored immediately after the reversal, Princeton was no closer than 4 possessions for the remainder of the game--and sometimes not even that close.

 
palestra38 
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Re: Princeton Game Thread
02-07-18 04:00 PM - Post#246804    
    In response to penn nation

Yes, but they were finished. The pace had killed them. That's why I am so impressed with the Penn conditioning---Foreman, Woods and Betley essentially played the whole game with Wood taking about 10 minutes each from AJ and Max. McDonald got 2 minutes and there were 2 minutes of garbage time. But these guys looked like they could run another game.

 
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