Chip Bayers
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02-06-18 09:29 PM - Post#246659
Having considered the bountiful whining registered here about the unfair home court advantage Penn will again enjoy if it ends up being one of the 4 teams in the Ivy tournament, I have a modest proposal:
Cancel it.
Cancel it now.
Rely on the regular season results.
It’s the only fair thing to do.
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penn nation
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Re: Cancel the Ivy Tournament
02-06-18 09:48 PM - Post#246667
In response to Chip Bayers
I think Chip may want to revisit this issue come Sunday morning.
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Chip Bayers
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02-06-18 10:06 PM - Post#246672
In response to penn nation
Immaterial if we cancel it now.
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palestra38
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02-06-18 11:45 PM - Post#246685
In response to Chip Bayers
About 5 guys sitting behind me at the Princeton game were thanking the Lord that there is a tournament now.
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mrjames
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02-07-18 11:53 AM - Post#246726
In response to palestra38
Man, if Penn gets to 8-0, and Harvard gets to 6-2 with a win over Princeton... it’s gonna be a lot like last year where two teams were locked into their respective semifinals with 3 weeks to play.
There would be a LOT of intrigue as to who would fill the other half of each semi, however.
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Okoro Dude
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02-07-18 12:39 PM - Post#246735
In response to mrjames
Would love to see it. That said, I would assume Penn's chances of staying undefeated through this weekend are probably only about 1/3.
Last night's win essentially flipped Penn 162 to 141) and Princeton in Ken Pom (142 to 162). Didn't realize one game could have that much impact this late in the season.
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penn nation
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02-07-18 12:39 PM - Post#246736
In response to mrjames
Harvard at Penn is during the final weekend. That might very well determine the #1 seed and a guaranteed postseason berth. This year’s tourney should be wide open so that guaranteed berth should be highly coveted.
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Okoro Dude
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Re: Cancel the Ivy Tournament
02-07-18 12:41 PM - Post#246737
In response to Chip Bayers
Let me be the first Penn person to state unequivocally that I am still a supporter of the tournament even if we win the regular season. The past is the past. I enjoy the broader competition across the league to make the tourney and the prospect of great games to decide the bid.
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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Cancel the Ivy Tournament
02-07-18 12:51 PM - Post#246739
In response to mrjames
Mike, assuming Penn and Harvard make the tourney as 1-2 or 2-1, what do the sims show regarding the 3 and 4 spots?
Cuz a look at the league standings right now show an absolute logjam 3-7.
Edited by T.P.F.K.A.D.W. on 02-07-18 01:20 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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digamma
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02-07-18 12:55 PM - Post#246741
In response to penn nation
Harvard at Penn is during the final weekend. That might very well determine the #1 seed and a guaranteed postseason berth. This year’s tourney should be wide open so that guaranteed berth should be highly coveted.
Second to last weekend. Harvard finishes with the Cs at home.
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mrjames
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Re: Cancel the Ivy Tournament
02-07-18 01:12 PM - Post#246743
In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
Ran the sims this morning. Haven’t had a chance to send them out, but will soon!
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penn nation
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02-07-18 02:10 PM - Post#246748
In response to digamma
Ah. My bad.
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PennFan10
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02-07-18 02:54 PM - Post#246754
In response to digamma
Harvard at Penn is during the final weekend. That might very well determine the #1 seed and a guaranteed postseason berth. This year’s tourney should be wide open so that guaranteed berth should be highly coveted.
Second to last weekend. Harvard finishes with the Cs at home.
And Penn is @Brown, @Yale to finish the regular season.
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Bruno
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Re: Cancel the Ivy Tournament
02-07-18 03:00 PM - Post#246755
In response to Okoro Dude
Totes
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penn nation
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Re: Cancel the Ivy Tournament
02-07-18 03:10 PM - Post#246759
In response to mrjames
Saw your predictions on your feed but in my humble opinion it overestimates Princeton and underestimates Brown.
That second Princeton Brown game is going to be huge.
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Cvonvorys
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Re: Cancel the Ivy Tournament
02-07-18 04:06 PM - Post#246772
In response to penn nation
So help me understand the value or being a number 1 seed in the tourney?? If we assume either Penn or Harvard will be the 1 seed and the other is the 2 seed, what's the benefit of playing a 4 seed Princeton or a 4 seed Brown (or a 4 seed Yale or other) vs. a 3 seed Princeton or a 3 seed Brown (or a 3 seed Yale or other?)
Despite the obvious home court advantage Penn will enjoy, they will also be faced with a big challenge. For example, can Penn beat Princeton 3 times in one year vs. can Penn beat Brown with their athletically talented group? Is this what an Ivy League tourney is all about??
Or for that matter, what if Penn loses a bunch of games and now is a 3 or 4 seed? How does that change the dynamics?
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westphillywarrior
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Re: Cancel the Ivy Tournament
02-07-18 04:13 PM - Post#246774
In response to Cvonvorys
You are correct - it doesn't change the dynamics. As I've said before, it is flat out painful how diminished the 14 games have become.
The most important thing for Penn the rest of the way: avoid injuries.
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penn nation
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Re: Cancel the Ivy Tournament
02-07-18 04:45 PM - Post#246792
In response to Cvonvorys
Right now, the goal is to shoot for the #1 seed.
That means no matter what (given what you've just illustrated) Penn at minimum will be playing in a post-season tourney (NIT) which would have been unthinkable at the beginning of the season.
Given what Penn has done up to this point in the year, it would be a shame for it not to have the chance to play somewhere in the postseason.
This IL tourney is going to be a total crap shoot.
Edited by penn nation on 02-07-18 04:46 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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palestra38
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Re: Cancel the Ivy Tournament
02-07-18 04:53 PM - Post#246795
In response to penn nation
It also will almost certainly result in the tournament staying at the Palestra, for who can complain if Penn is the top seed (and we know there really isn't any other place to play it that won't cost $$$$$)
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mrjames
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Re: Cancel the Ivy Tournament
02-07-18 04:54 PM - Post#246797
In response to palestra38
Last I heard, the tournament is still moving next year.
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