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Username Post: Brown Leads Columbia 36-29 at Halftime        (Topic#21146)
SomeGuy 
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Re: Brown Leads Columbia 36-29 at Halftime
02-11-18 11:18 PM - Post#247501    
    In response to SomeGuy

Second half was more one sided in Stefanini's favor. Stefanini +7, Hickman -8. Hickman never returned after the initial stretch. Same as first half -- Engles waited for backup guards for Yale to put in Stefanini. This time, no Monroe in the second half, so it was Swain who Stefanini came in to guard. Swain went off in this game, unfortunately. Then switched to zone with Stefanini and Adlesh up top, and finally, like the first half, he guarded Copeland. Did a pretty good job on Copeland generally, though he did get burned on the play where Tape got hurt.

So at least for the Yale game, Engles appeared to wait for the opponent to bring in backup guards, and then he goes to Stefanini. Stefanini starts guarding a backup, and then eventually guards a starter later in his run.

 
Chet Forte 
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02-12-18 01:02 AM - Post#247503    
    In response to SomeGuy

I get the argument that Hickman is a vocal senior leader and a great athlete, but can anybody honestly say that he has had a single solid game all year? To me at least Stefanini has the ability to score 20 ppg, plays hard and is not much of a downgrade from Hickman on defense.


 
cc66 
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Re: Brown Leads Columbia 36-29 at Halftime
02-12-18 04:12 PM - Post#247560    
    In response to SomeGuy

SG--after watching the game, your numbers and analysis seem to match 37P6's. Do you still think that Hickman should be getting so many minutes?

 
SomeGuy 
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Re: Brown Leads Columbia 36-29 at Halftime
02-12-18 04:41 PM - Post#247568    
    In response to cc66

Well, if I knew one guy would be +13 for the game and the other would be -3, i’d play the +13 that game. Not sure you can know that coming in, and while it is evident to the eyes of a lot of Columbia posters, the +/- overall is negative for both guys for the year. So I’m not sure it is obvious.

Figuring out the Defense is important too. Can Stefanini guard the 3s he would need to guard to take Hickman’s spot? They don’t seem to use him that way (he only covers small guards, seemingly, and only plays with both Adlesh and Smith when the opponent plays small).

Overall I default to Engles and try to provide some explanation as to why he does what he does. But if you are forcing me to choose a lineup, mine would be Meisner Hunter Castlin Adlesh Smith.

 
cc66 
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02-12-18 07:05 PM - Post#247583    
    In response to SomeGuy

Okay, and I guess I should stop being surprised, but whenever you do the Columbia lineup, I still find it noteworthy that 1) you insert Hunter (is his defense really sufficient to compensate for the lack of any offense?) and 2) you ignore Tape (I know you think he's too slow, and Brodeur did beat him in the Penn game, but have you seen him recently--I think he's gotten much stronger inside?)

 
SomeGuy 
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02-13-18 12:34 AM - Post#247633    
    In response to cc66

I’d definitely be playing Tape. As for Hunter, I think Columbia has plenty of offense. Need to mix it with some Defense. I think you can have one defensive specialist out there and still get more or less the same scoring output.

 
Chet Forte 
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02-13-18 07:37 AM - Post#247643    
    In response to SomeGuy

What we are really missing is not having another Isaac Cohen, a real glue guy who could defend, play like a coach on the court and when needed score some points. Hunter was apparently a prolific scorer in high school but hasn’t shown any offense at all. So I suppose that his highest and best use is to bring him off the bench in spurts to try to clamp down on whoever has the hot hand. But if we are looking for a short rotation to me it is Smith, Meisner, Castlin, Tape, Adlesh, Stefanini, Faulds and Hanson, with limited minutes for Hunter and Hickman. I had high hopes for Bibbs but he seems to be buried at the back of the bench.


 
Murph 
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Brown Leads Columbia 36-29 at Halftime
02-13-18 12:22 PM - Post#247661    
    In response to SomeGuy

  • SomeGuy Said:
I’d definitely be playing Tape. As for Hunter, I think Columbia has plenty of offense. Need to mix it with some Defense. I think you can have one defensive specialist out there and still get more or less the same scoring output.



At the risk of incurring the wrath of Chet and 37P6, I would advocate starting Hunter at the 3 next year, with a starting lineup of Smith, Adlesh, Hunter, Meisner and Tape, in the hopes that Hunter becomes that defensive glue guy that we've been missing since Cohen graduated.

Like Hickman, Hunter has worked hard and paid his dues.

 
cc66 
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Brown Leads Columbia 36-29 at Halftime
02-13-18 01:28 PM - Post#247682    
    In response to Murph

Srefaninni just won ROW. By next year, especially, it is going to be hard to keep him out of the starting lineup.

Edited by cc66 on 02-13-18 01:28 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Columbia 37P6 
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02-13-18 02:21 PM - Post#247699    
    In response to cc66

Funny!

 
Chet Forte 
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02-13-18 03:02 PM - Post#247714    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

When was the last time that we had somebody make ROW? Answer: a few weeks ago. Player: Stefanini.


 
Columbia 37P6 
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02-13-18 04:58 PM - Post#247740    
    In response to Chet Forte

Hey Murph, you were the most vocal critic of Kyle Smith on this Board during his tenure, and yet you have given a pass to his successor. How come my friend?

 
Murph 
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02-14-18 01:50 PM - Post#247852    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

  • Columbia 37P6 Said:
Hey Murph, you were the most vocal critic of Kyle Smith on this Board during his tenure, and yet you have given a pass to his successor. How come my friend?



For me, it was mostly an issue concerning Smith's character going back to the Dyami Starks episode.

I would rather not relitigate the whole fiasco; I'm sure everyone is painfully aware of my opinion on the matter. Suffice it to say, it's hard for me to imagine that Starks was such a bad kid that he had to be buried at the end of the bench for most of the season, after having come in as one of Columbia's higher ranked recruits at the time.

Maybe someday, we'll get a coach who both wins and is also a good guy.



 
LionFan 
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02-14-18 02:28 PM - Post#247858    
    In response to Murph

Perhaps Hickman is the glue guy?

 
Columbia Alum 
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02-15-18 08:05 AM - Post#247905    
    In response to LionFan

Don't think he's contributing enough to be called that. Isaac cohen would assist and rebound (for his height) at an incredible rate. Hickman is just a mediocre wing, who drives to the basket once in a while and can actually knock down FTs(unlike cohen). Hickman's biggest asset is longevity and loyalty to the program, but admirable but neither of which won games.

 
Chet Forte 
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02-15-18 09:50 AM - Post#247910    
    In response to Columbia Alum

Hickman may be more athletic but Cohen was by far the better basketball player.


 
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