BisonRoadWarrior
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02-13-18 02:34 PM - Post#247704
In response to Bison137
It's hard to see everything on that critical turnover we forced on Colgate's late inbound play. Watching on TV, I was thinking Stephen Brown may have hip-checked him out of bounds, and listening to Doug highlights, he thought there may have been a foul, too. Then again, with the press table obscuring things, maybe the Colgate player stepped out of bounds first, or the ball hit out of bounds first.
https://youtu.be/LE94PazJbFE
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Bison137
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Re: Colgate Game 02-13-18 02:34 PM - Post#247705
In response to MyOhMighty
Reminded me of another February night, in 2005, when Chris Niesz hit a shot at the buzzer to beat (you guessed it) - Colgate. That Bucknell team was in a funk, having lost 4 of their previous 8 Patriot League games. They rode some of the energy of that Colgate win to - well, you know... Maybe it bodes well for this Bison team.
One thing about that Niesz three at the buzzer is that if the Bison had lost, they would almost certainly have ended up as a 15 seed - and not played Kansas in the first round. Those who watched that Colgate game will likely remember that moments before Niesz's winning shot, Colgate missed the front end of a one-and-one that would have basically clinched the game.
Game Article: http://www.bucknellbison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPID...
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Bison137
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02-13-18 02:36 PM - Post#247707
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
It's hard to see everything on that critical turnover we forced on Colgate's late inbound play. Watching on TV, I was thinking Stephen Brown may have hip-checked him out of bounds, and listening to Doug highlights, he thought there may have been a foul, too. Then again, with the press table obscuring things, maybe the Colgate player stepped out of bounds first, or the ball hit out of bounds first.
https://youtu.be/LE94PazJbFE
Very hard to tell, although looking at the video it doesn't seem nearly as obvious a foul as it appeared from the bench side of Sojka. As you know, in the final seconds a foul usually has to be a little more obvious in situations like that.
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BUFan
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02-13-18 05:06 PM - Post#247742
In response to Bison137
Listened to the Nathan Davis interview on Sirius. It was a good interview. Danny Kanell and his cohost kept talking for 5 min after the interview ended about how great Birdaong’s call was.
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MrPhillie
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02-13-18 06:25 PM - Post#247749
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
In the postgame interview with Doug, Stephen mentioned times that the Bison got some lucky calls at the end. He didn’t give any specifics, but maybe that out of bounds turnover was one.
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NoMoney89
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Colgate Game 02-13-18 06:42 PM - Post#247755
In response to MrPhillie
Another interesting note about foul calls in that game. At some point in the TV broadcast they pointed out that a national supervisor of officials was in the crowd at sojka last night. Perhaps that put extra and necessary pressure on the refs to get the calls right.
Edited by NoMoney89 on 02-13-18 06:42 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Bison137
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02-13-18 06:57 PM - Post#247758
In response to NoMoney89
Bison coming up on PTI (ESPN) in a couple of minutes.
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raymondbucknell
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02-13-18 07:34 PM - Post#247760
In response to Bison137
Kimbal is tough as nails and has ice in his veins. We would have done better in the OOC games with him. Our great Flannery teams struggled and lost to teams we all thought we should beat too. We are spoiled by success on this Board. I would not have jumped off the bandwagon even had we lost. And that having been said, yes we could get upset in the tourney. Teams switching up defenses on us seems to be causing problems. But better to sort through that now and adjust...
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HoleinOne
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02-14-18 10:45 AM - Post#247817
In response to raymondbucknell
Yes, Kimbal being back and getting into game shape provides another major weapon. That being said, concerned that over the past few games Bison reacting poorly to competitive strategies each team is repeating - double team under basket, changing defenses, etc. Most Bison have seen these tactics for 3-4 years yet reacting like they haven't been practicing them. Hoping playoffs a different story.
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Bison137
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02-14-18 11:17 AM - Post#247824
In response to HoleinOne
Agree the Bison are not adapting well to certain defensive schemes. That particularly goes for the double-teaming of Nana - but the biggest culprit there is the outside shooting. Since the first Boston U game, Nana has been double-teamed virtually every time he touches the ball. Last year he probably averaged 7-8 jump hooks vs single coverage in PL games. This year, excluding the American game, he is lucky if he gets 1-2 a game vs single coverage where he is able to extend his shooting arm back freely. That is the main reason his shooting pct this year in PL games is 57.7% compared to 63.0% last year. And in OOC games - against much better teams and much better centers - he hit 61.1% of his shots, because teams rarely doubled him in those games.
Thankfully he has become a much better passer and frequently gets the ball out to the right guy. And his turnover rate has declined. So that part of the adaptation is pretty good. However in league games, the Bison are not making a high enough pct of the open threes that result from the double teams to discourage teams from doing it every time. In PL games, the team is hitting a poor 31.8% on threes, with only Brown and Toomer hitting above 39%. If they hit 40% - which they should hit on the open stationary shots they are getting - the double teams might not be as aggressive.
Note that the biggest problem right now in attacking the double team is not the spacing. Even when no secondary defender is within 15 feet of Nana when an entry pass to him is made, every team still sends a second defender immediately. Look, for example, at the last play vs Colgate when O'Brien, who was guarding Brown above the arc, maybe 22 feet from the basket, immediately ran at Nana in the low post as the pass to him was made. Nana made a good quick pass to Brown, who passed to Moore as Moore's man rotated to Brown. And then Moore passed to Kimbal as Kimbal's man rotated to Moore. Fortunately Kimbal knocked down the shot. That was perfect ball movement (except for the final pass being tipped) and a perfect result.
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MrPhillie
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02-14-18 06:57 PM - Post#247877
In response to Bison137
Funny how making shots can make or break an offense. If guys can’t hit shots, we don’t have an offense with all of the firepower we thought. Simply put, guys have to hit shots. Kimbal and Avi are still getting into form, but the PL season is a large enough body of work to see that we need to shoot the ball better. Avi has to do something on offense, in my opinion.
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HuskyColonial
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02-14-18 08:39 PM - Post#247880
In response to MrPhillie
Avi can too. This team collectively goes hot and cold as a group.
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bison63
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02-17-18 01:19 AM - Post#248167
In response to HuskyColonial
Remember the loss to Colgate on the “ controversial†player coming in from out of bounds call that cost us the game a few years back? Payback!
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Bison137
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02-17-18 09:21 AM - Post#248191
In response to bison63
You might have a point here. Btw, the ref was Andy O;Brien, who was supposed to be a rising star in the profession. But when that happened, he was thrown under the bus by Reggie Greenwood, the PL head of officials and a long-time high level ref, who said you do not make that call without having warned the teams first. Since then, O'Brien has continued to ref a lot of games in the MAAC, NEC, and America East, but has only one PL assignment in three years since then.
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