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Username Post: Inquirer Story on Tough Road Trip        (Topic#21156)
palestra38 
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02-13-18 10:15 AM - Post#247652    

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/penn-qu akers-b...

 
10Q 
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02-13-18 10:28 AM - Post#247653    
    In response to palestra38

Interesting.

On a slightly unrelated topic, I don't really understand why back to back weekends are so grueling. These are kids. They should be able to bounce back the next day. League tournaments have games 3 straight days and you don't hear much about that being so grueling. I guess maybe Steve Danley can weigh in and show me where I am wrong.

 
mrjames 
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02-13-18 10:41 AM - Post#247654    
    In response to 10Q

I did an analysis once and found that hosting a Saturday night was worth about a point (over and above the usual HCA), and that was pretty universal across different Ivy road trips.

So, it seems like there's a small effect, but nothing as pronounced as some have described.

 
palestra38 
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02-13-18 10:46 AM - Post#247655    
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Yes, but is a Friday night game in Hanover, followed by a bus ride to Cambridge in which they get in at midnight, probably to bed at 1-2, with a 4 pm game the next day the same as a generic "saturday night road game"? Leave aside that they played 5 games in 8 days.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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02-13-18 10:51 AM - Post#247656    
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Hmmm, seems like these are some very good reasons to play the Ivy Tournament at a neutral site or at the gym of the higher seed.


 
palestra38 
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02-13-18 10:58 AM - Post#247658    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

How's that? Those games will be a week after the last game


 
mrjames 
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02-13-18 11:10 AM - Post#247659    
    In response to palestra38

I think we're making far, far too much of the timing thing.

Like on the flip side, do we really think that Yale getting to play Harvard at 9:30pm this Saturday will differentially benefit them over a normal 7:00pm tip?

Certainly Vegas didn't think it had any impact last weekend, and I don't suspect they'll think it has any impact this weekend either.

 
palestra38 
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02-13-18 11:11 AM - Post#247660    
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It cannot be proven, but I think it is common sense that 10 hours of driving leading to the 5th game in 8 days is not typical of anything Yale has to do in a late game against Harvard.

 
Jeff2sf 
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02-13-18 11:28 AM - Post#247662    
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In P38's world, every single piece of data is a corner case. They're all outliers, baby!

 
palestra38 
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02-13-18 11:29 AM - Post#247663    
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Yo Jeff, why don't you just STFU for once in your life. If you want to bring something to the table, fine, but otherwise, see above.

 
Jeff2sf 
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02-13-18 11:34 AM - Post#247664    
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P38: I think something
Mike James: That's interesting but the data shows that what you think isn't happening to the degree you do.
P38: The data doesn't realize this is an outlier.

PRETTY MUCH EVERY THREAD. It must stink to have analytics to crap on every thought you've had for the past 50 years. I feel for you bro. I do.



 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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Inquirer Story on Tough Road Trip
02-13-18 11:35 AM - Post#247665    
    In response to palestra38

Sure, then lets schedule the tournament at a neutral site and move everyone's exam and vacation schedule so Penn isn't the only team finishing a week's vacation while most others have been taking midterms and submitting papers.

Which is worse? A game an hour away on a Tuesday or 4 finals/papers being completed on your 6+ hour bus ride to play a conference tournament at your opponent's home court.

By the way, a fair amount of Friday games have been scheduled for 8pm this year and a lot of Saturday games at 6pm. That means Penn (and Harvard) lost an hour.

Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 02-13-18 11:35 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
palestra38 
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Re: Inquirer Story on Tough Road Trip
02-13-18 11:41 AM - Post#247666    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

They are different issues. I agree with you that it is not "fair" to have the tournament at Penn. On the other hand, it is not "fair" to have a tournament at all. I would prefer that we don't have one. But obviously, "fairness" is not the touchstone of having a tournament, branding and visibility is. And for that, the Palestra really is the only place to have it. But the travel and time is not any kind of hindrance in a tournament.

 
palestra38 
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02-13-18 11:42 AM - Post#247667    
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I said nothing controversial nor questioned any metrics. You simply are a troll, and I can't stand trolls. You have an opinion, post it, but if you keep attacking me for no reason, just STFU and do something with your life.

 
mrjames 
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02-13-18 11:50 AM - Post#247669    
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When our standard to change our priors is to have something definitively, 100% proven wrong, we make Reverend Bayes cry.

But I agree that Steve’s input would be interesting here.

I’ve been a little surprised that some of the key takeaways from that game were the reffing was bad and scheduling was unfair. There are some real things to work on both for Harvard and for Penn in advance of the rematch that I believe make the legs/ref issues trivial by comparison. The team that cleans up those former issues better is the one better positioned to win the rematch.

 
Jeff2sf 
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02-13-18 11:50 AM - Post#247670    
    In response to palestra38

I left the board for two weeks and you still managed to get into fights with SomeGuy and made the board "unreadable" according to some posters. So who was the common denominator? That's right, Antonio! The jerk. Nope, just kidding, it was you, bro. you.

 
penn nation 
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02-13-18 11:56 AM - Post#247671    
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  • palestra38 Said:
It cannot be proven, but I think it is common sense that 10 hours of driving leading to the 5th game in 8 days is not typical of anything Yale has to do in a late game against Harvard.



Yeah, it's the cumulative effect. Also the longest road trip for a single game in the league.


 
palestra38 
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02-13-18 12:08 PM - Post#247675    
    In response to Jeff2sf

Actually that never happened but it's nice of you to make it up. You simply go out and look for trouble. Stop it.

 
palestra38 
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02-13-18 12:11 PM - Post#247676    
    In response to mrjames

I never said the reffing was bad. Sure there were a few questionable calls, but the game was decided on Harvard hitting its shots and Penn not hitting its shots. In my view, tired legs had something to do with that. But Harvard was the better team and deserved to win.

 
Jeff2sf 
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Inquirer Story on Tough Road Trip
02-13-18 12:15 PM - Post#247677    
    In response to palestra38

http://boards.basketball-u.com/showtopic.php?tid/2...

yeah, Trumpian, unreadable.


But I made things up.

Edited by Jeff2sf on 02-13-18 12:21 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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