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Username Post: Inquirer Story on Tough Road Trip        (Topic#21156)
mrjames 
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02-13-18 04:41 PM - Post#247735    
    In response to Jeff2sf

Yeah, it’s technically nine days because it’s an inclusive range not an exclusive range, which is why you get nine when you count it out versus normal subtraction which would treat it like an exclusive range.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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02-13-18 04:45 PM - Post#247736    
    In response to penn nation

My initial observation was through the Princeton game.

I would think Feb 2nd counts as a day, but it doesn't really matter.

Not worth it. If Penn thinks the scheduling puts it at a disadvantage then let it play Princeton 2x early like everyone else does.

Finally, for all of these issues, I note that both of Harvard's point guards are out. Gotta think that has an impact as well, if for nothing else than it forces 3 guards + one freshman backup to play 120 minutes every game. Hoping Bryce is back for the tournament. Even if he can't revert to First Team Ivy League status, he can help his team by giving others much needed in game rest.


 
palestra38 
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Inquirer Story on Tough Road Trip
02-13-18 04:48 PM - Post#247737    
    In response to Jeff2sf

Only I could count wrong on my fingers.

(But it is only 8 days minus 1 hour if you start at 7 pm on Friday, when the first game in the series started)

Edited by palestra38 on 02-13-18 05:00 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
SteveDanley 
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02-13-18 05:40 PM - Post#247744    
    In response to Jeff2sf

  • Jeff2sf Said:
Asia's post is the reason I'm not interested in Steve's perspective (just this one time!). Humans/players whoever overestimate things like this all the time.



You guys set me up!

A couple of thoughts:

In my experience, college practices are typically much more grinding than games. So it's rarely the actual play that is the killer in the 5 in 8 days situation, especially because coaches wind down the practices.

The travel is really difficult -- especially that 7 1/2 hour bus trip to Dartmouth. I still have nightmares about every different position in the bus across seats. Large people, small bus. Not great. At any given point in the season, it wasn't uncommon for us to have 1/3 to 1/2 the team getting treatment for back tightness or other related issues.

The sleep thing is hard too. If you're playing, games end at 9 and you haven't eaten. Then you get straight on the bus with some food. By the time you check into the new hotel, calm down, get more food, it's often 1 or 2. Coaches typically compound the problem through the belief that it's best for players to "get moving" early the next day, so you're up for mandatory breakfast, then shootaround, then an hour or two nap, then pre-game meal, then to the court to loosen up. It's a tough stretch.

I find the 1 point research somewhat believable -- this several games in several days effect interacts with all kinds of other physical maintenance issues (I think travel is baked into home-away dynamic already, and that coaches regularly burn out their players legs in season anyway). Almost everyone I played with felt like the grind of the season took a fair bit off their athleticism -- so any effect is on the margin, and players play at 85% a lot anyway.

The tougher thing for me was school -- once I started playing regular minutes, I essentially stopped being able to do school work on game days. I was just too fired up. That means you come back from a stretch like 5 in 8 days, and you want to sleep for a week, you've just logged god knows how many bus hours, and you're easily 500 pages and a paper or two behind in school. If you dropped a game towards the end of the stretch, it gets worse because the practices get harder and longer (Dunph's rule was no Tuesday practice when we were in 1st place in the league -- that day off was heaven). But otherwise, you sleep all day Sunday, then back to the grind Monday morning with a lift, classes, and a long practice.

 
SteveDanley 
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02-13-18 05:50 PM - Post#247745    
    In response to SteveDanley

  • SteveDanley Said:
Coaches typically compound the problem through the belief that it's best for players to "get moving" early the next day, so you're up for mandatory breakfast, then shootaround, then an hour or two nap, then pre-game meal, then to the court to loosen up. It's a tough stretch.




You guys have me going down nostalgia row, so excuse me for a minute as I story tell.

One of the funnier dynamics on these road trips is that at shootaround we, as starters, desperately tried not to break a sweat (under the perhaps superstitious belief that it's harder to get loose a second time during the day, so we avoided it at shoot around if possible).

But guys who weren't playing a lot enjoyed the opportunity to get to be on the scout team and get a lot of shots / impress coaches. We had a lot of shootaround heroes -- guys out of the rotation that would torch starters at shoot around while starters went half speed.

Then the coaches would get on the starters, the starters would get pissy and have to play harder, etc.

Oh college road trips.

 
Charlie Fog 
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02-14-18 08:12 AM - Post#247795    
    In response to SteveDanley

do most college teams take busses, or is this an ancient eight thing/ rule?

 
penn nation 
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02-14-18 10:54 AM - Post#247819    
    In response to Charlie Fog

I would imagine that most DI teams fly when they can, unless the game is within 4-5 hours drive. I'm also guessing that the lowest level (and poorest) DI schools, such as the MEAC, probably drive to all of their games.



 
section110 
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02-14-18 12:54 PM - Post#247836    
    In response to penn nation

Since the Ivy League universities cannot afford two sets of away uniforms, I'm sure air travel is beyond them.

 
palestra38 
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02-14-18 12:57 PM - Post#247838    
    In response to section110

I never knew that there were people bothered by the fact that home teams wear white the second night of a back to back. NBA teams switch uniforms all the time. Why is this a big deal?

 
section110 
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02-14-18 01:42 PM - Post#247850    
    In response to palestra38

The point I was trying to make, with tongue firmly in cheek, is that a conference that has ambitions of moving up to be a two or multiple bid league,(at least that's what the people on this board want) still penny pincehes like minor conferences are forced to. Our league consists of 8 of the wealthiest universities in the world; but only has 1 and a half decent facilities.

 
palestra38 
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02-14-18 01:58 PM - Post#247853    
    In response to section110

OK, sorry for missing the joke. Fact is that others seem to be bothered by the 1-uniform rule.

 
SRP 
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02-14-18 02:21 PM - Post#247857    
    In response to palestra38

Steve Danley's insight is facinating. I saw a short look-in video about Jay Wright's practices a year or two ago, and he seemed obsessed with protecting his players' legs.

 
SteveDanley 
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02-14-18 03:04 PM - Post#247861    
    In response to Charlie Fog

  • Charlie Fog Said:
do most college teams take busses, or is this an ancient eight thing/ rule?



It's been a decade since I've been really involved in college hoops -- but I never thought there was an Ivy rule about flying, and we regularly flew for tournaments. We even flew to Dartmouth one year (though that's still a tough trip - I don't even remember what the airport was).

My impression from talking to other mid-majors was that they did it similarly -- busses for close trips and most league opponents, flights for everything else.

 
T.P.F.K.A.D.W. 
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02-14-18 03:28 PM - Post#247863    
    In response to SteveDanley

  • SteveDanley Said:

My impression from talking to other mid-majors was that they did it similarly -- busses for close trips and most league opponents, flights for everything else.


And SEPTA for Temple.

 
palestra38 
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Inquirer Story on Tough Road Trip
02-14-18 04:00 PM - Post#247866    
    In response to mrjames

When was the last time you saw that happen?

 
penn nation 
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02-14-18 04:01 PM - Post#247867    
    In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.

Some of us even walk to Temple.

 
10Q 
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02-14-18 04:37 PM - Post#247869    
    In response to penn nation

I walk to Shul, but not Temple.

 
penn nation 
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Inquirer Story on Tough Road Trip
02-14-18 04:47 PM - Post#247870    
    In response to mrjames

There's a statistically significant correlation (p= .01) between the appearance of the word "poop" and some frivolity.

Thanks for being the Game Script where a team trailing the whole game wins it in the final 30 seconds.



Edited by penn nation on 02-14-18 04:48 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
DJ Jazzy Jeff 
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Re: Inquirer Story on Tough Road Trip
02-14-18 05:40 PM - Post#247872    
    In response to mrjames

If you're referring to the stain on Max's shorts, that was the cyst on his tailbone rupturing (for the 2nd time) and not "poop".

 
Silver Maple 
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Re: Inquirer Story on Tough Road Trip
02-14-18 06:43 PM - Post#247875    
    In response to DJ Jazzy Jeff

  • DJ Jazzy Jeff Said:
If you're referring to the stain on Max's shorts, that was the cyst on his tailbone rupturing (for the 2nd time) and not "poop".



I absolutely, positively, did not need to know that.

 
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