palestra38
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Columbia
02-16-18 10:06 PM - Post#248128
In response to 91Quake
Columbia is really up Sh.t Creek.
But yes, Penn couldn't get over the hump from the time they got within 3 late in the first half until about 6 minutes to go and then simply destroyed Columbia despite not being able to shoot either 3 point shots or foul shots.
Still, they give up 3 point plays and offensive rebounds off of missed foul shots and still are up 10
Edited by palestra38 on 02-16-18 10:07 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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palestra38
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Re: Columbia
02-16-18 10:09 PM - Post#248129
In response to palestra38
Great victory, but I have no clue how we did it. Got to give Donahue credit for managing to win a game where Penn's regulars were terrible.
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Stuart Suss
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Re: Columbia
02-16-18 10:09 PM - Post#248130
In response to palestra38
With tonight's results, any one Penn victory will mathematically clinch a tournament spot.
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palestra38
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Re: Columbia
02-16-18 10:17 PM - Post#248132
In response to Stuart Suss
There's only about a 1/10,000 chance of blowing it even if we lost out now.
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section110
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Re: Columbia
02-16-18 10:19 PM - Post#248133
In response to palestra38
We got almost every loose ball; forced 17 turnovers & controlled the defensive boards for the most part. Gutty victory'
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UPIA1968
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02-16-18 10:31 PM - Post#248134
In response to section110
Note that in all of Penn's tight Ivy victories somebody stepped up and did something unexpected, like AJ's 3's against Columbia at home, Silpe's threes, or Devon's performance tonight. So the biggest improvement in this team is its flexibility, depth and, of course, defense. Also high marks to Steve for the progress of so many players and finding good moments to feature them.
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tguru
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02-16-18 10:39 PM - Post#248135
In response to UPIA1968
Note that in all of Penn's tight Ivy victories somebody stepped up and did something unexpected, like AJ's 3's against Columbia at home, Silpe's threes, or Devon's performance tonight. So the biggest improvement in this team is its flexibility, depth and, of course, defense. Also high marks to Steve for the progress of so many players and finding good moments to feature them.
I don't think getting random contributions is the formula for a solid team. I would just as soon get the wins from the same old boring core group that steps up every effing game.
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palestra38
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02-16-18 10:43 PM - Post#248136
In response to tguru
But you have to give Steve major cred for realizing that it isn't happening with the starters and going with something completely different....leading to a tremendous victory.
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tguru
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Columbia
02-16-18 10:56 PM - Post#248143
In response to palestra38
But you have to give Steve major cred for realizing that it isn't happening with the starters and going with something completely different....leading to a tremendous victory.
10/4.on the coaching. Would just like to see the Studs step up during Prime Time, regularly.
Edited by tguru on 02-16-18 11:05 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Chip Bayers
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Columbia
02-16-18 11:32 PM - Post#248151
In response to tguru
Was there and still kind of amazed at that 18-0 run after being unable to get over the hump for so long.
Once Penn got a four-point lead Columbia seemed to lose all their rhythm, going faster and faster on each possession, and taking lots of bad shots.
There was a critical sequence that really fired up the team and the bench right after Penn had nosed ahead 55-54 on a Goodman layup. Penn had Caleb Wood making a sideline inbound right in front of the Penn bench. Meissner knocked back Caleb’s first attempt to lob a pass over him to A.J., and after doing so got up in Wood’s face with a stare down, before the ref handed Caleb the ball to re-attempt the inbound. That attempted intimidation made a bunch of guys on the Penn bench angry, especially Max (surprise surprise).
Wood successfully got the ball in on the second try, and they ran a set that ended with him curling around an excellent A.J. screen, which left Meissner flailing at air as Caleb drained the three in his face that put Penn up 4. The whole Penn bench erupted as the shot went through, and began woofing at Meissner as he inbounded the ball (McDonald was one of the most animated). Columbia called timeout after they got the ball into the frontcourt, and the whole team was congratulating Wood as he came to the bench.
A couple defensive possessions later, A.J.’s block of the Meissner 3 and subsequent dunk set them off again.
Edited by Chip Bayers on 02-16-18 11:33 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Quakers03
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02-17-18 12:09 AM - Post#248157
In response to Chip Bayers
Thanks for that Chip. Definitely couldn't see that on the tv angle. Makes it even sweeter.
Am I the only one who thinks it's incredibly soft to honor a second place football team? And to to it in Penn's face? Really? Wait till you win a title to do it. That run at the end made it that much better.
Then the Flyers won and I thought I was finished enjoying sports for the evening...and then I saw there was one last Ivy game still going on. Oh was that fun to watch. Now we get a tired Cornell team and the evil ones are in some deep trouble.
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Quakers03
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Re: Columbia
02-17-18 12:17 AM - Post#248158
In response to Chip Bayers
I just went back and watched it again. That was ridiculous. What a clown. Meissner REALLY got right up into Caleb's face. Smart play tough guy. As you said, the guys went nuts. There is no doubt that this is a unified team. The care about and really play for each other. As the entire sporting world saw 2 weeks ago, that kind of thing, mixed with good play, can go a long way...
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Chip Bayers
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02-17-18 12:21 AM - Post#248159
In response to Quakers03
I should correct myself: the great screen on the 3 was set by Goodman, not Brodeur, who instead got the assist with the pass from the top of the key. The completeness of Goodman’s game in all facets tonight was really astonishing.
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Quakers03
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02-17-18 12:25 AM - Post#248161
In response to Chip Bayers
I just loved watching him stay in front of Smith. With some quick guards getting healthy in this league, I have to think he sees some more minutes going forward.
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Chip Bayers
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Columbia
02-17-18 12:30 AM - Post#248163
In response to Quakers03
The word I heard very much at secondhand tonight from the Pennsider contingent was that Goodman’s inability to hit jumpers was really the only thing holding back his PT in the past several weeks. Got to guess he must have had a great shooting week in practice to earn the early run in the first half against the Lions. He sure took advantage of the opportunity.
Edited by Chip Bayers on 02-17-18 12:31 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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PennFan10
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02-17-18 12:55 AM - Post#248166
In response to Chip Bayers
Goodman played initially because the plan was to play him based on matchups. We also saw a lot of Jake early and more Matt M instead of Max and even Antonio. The matchups favored those players. Kudos to Dev G who came from the dungeon to have a monster game.
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weinhauers_ghost
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02-17-18 01:32 AM - Post#248168
In response to PennFan10
Goodman played initially because the plan was to play him based on matchups. We also saw a lot of Jake early and more Matt M instead of Max and even Antonio. The matchups favored those players. Kudos to Dev G who came from the dungeon to have a monster game.
I thought using Goodman to shadow Smith was a stroke of genius. Turns out he gave Smith fits at both ends of the floor.
Wood had a very good game as well. If you'd told me at 5pm this afternoon that we would win this game convincingly with just two points from Betley and minimal contributions from the rest of the starters, I'd have told you you were insane.
In addition to the Wood-Meisner inbounds staredown (the ref really should have pushed Meisner back another foot or so off the sideline) and AJ's steal and dunk, I thought that mid-court loose ball scramble where we came up with it was another point at which the momentum shifted in our favor.
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Chip Bayers
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Columbia
02-17-18 01:33 AM - Post#248169
In response to PennFan10
Steve D. certainly went long stretches with 4 wings and and 5, either Max or A.J. Even the smallest possible group of 4: at one point I think there was a Goodman/Silpe/Foreman/Woo ds combo out there. Engel responded by going big. Needless to say that’s when Columbia had a couple of their best putback scores.
Edited by Chip Bayers on 02-17-18 01:34 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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caughtinasnare
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02-17-18 01:41 AM - Post#248170
In response to Chip Bayers
Echoing your thoughts from earlier, Chip, I was there and still can't believe we won, nor can I believe we won by so much. That AJ block/steal/dunk was fantastic, but this was Dev Goodman's game. I have been a big supporter of his and been increasingly frustrated that he has not gotten all that much run this season, and I'm really glad he came through tonight. I have to wonder if there's still a bit of a hangover from 5 games in 9 days amongst some of the starters, and my hope is that that resolves itself soon so we can keep on winning.
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whitakk
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02-17-18 02:11 AM - Post#248172
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Goodman was actually playing as Smith on the scout team this week, per Donahue (and they couldn't guard him).
I continue to be fascinated by Donahue's rotations. We'll probably still see a couple more changes by march.
http://www.nycbuckets.com/2018/02/unlikely-hero -de...
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