Eric Von Zipper
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02-17-18 02:28 PM - Post#248245
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palestra38
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Re: Columbia 02-17-18 08:16 PM - Post#248315
In response to Eric Von Zipper
17-4 CU
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penn nation
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Re: Columbia 02-17-18 08:18 PM - Post#248317
In response to palestra38
It's on SNY if you're in the NYC area.
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Cvonvorys
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Re: Columbia 02-17-18 08:34 PM - Post#248323
In response to penn nation
If you're a Princeton fan, you'll want to watch something else...
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Eric Von Zipper
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Re: Columbia 02-17-18 09:08 PM - Post#248353
In response to Cvonvorys
There's a red-hot curling match on Comcast.
Mixed doubles.
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palestra38
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Re: Columbia 02-17-18 09:40 PM - Post#248383
In response to penn nation
It was on NBCSN 2 here in Philly---I was watching like a natural disaster---just can't turn away. This is the most notable collapse of an Ivy team since Judson Wallace famously said: "“I might get in trouble fast, but our team will win our next 10 games in a row. I know that.â€
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penn nation
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Re: Columbia 02-17-18 09:47 PM - Post#248390
In response to palestra38
I don't even think that Princeton team lost 5 straight Ivy games.
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palestra38
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Re: Columbia 02-17-18 09:51 PM - Post#248395
In response to penn nation
Correct--they just lost 4 in a row.
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SRP
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02-18-18 12:19 AM - Post#248429
In response to palestra38
Talk about a meltdown. The only good thing to say is that there was no giving up after the disastrous start. But that's a bit like lauding the courage of the American army in the Philippines after Pearl Harbor, Clark Field, and the fall of Manila. Sure, some of this was mental and physical fatigue after yesterday's triple-OT loss, but geez.
I hate making so many soft players look like they're good. It's even more frustrating when lousy rebounding leads to countless opposing baskets as the shot-clock expires.
There are some X-and-O things that could be considered, but this was fundamentally about opening up the gates on defense early and not being able to hit any shots, even good ones, then forcing bad shots into the teeth of the defense. (There were what looked like a number of missed fouls against Columbia on Princeton drives, but when you play that out of rhythm I think it's actually forgivable for the refs to have trouble spotting those.) Columbia having a white-hot outside shooting night just compounded the misery.
The team probably needs to just forget the standings, etc., and concentrate on fundamentals and having fun by playing good, hard basketball. They are still very talented and capable of making life miserable for any Ivy opponent, and there is an outside chance of making the conference folly. So let's hear the "squiiick" sound of the Magic Slate sheet being lifted up and all that was written on it being erased.
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whitakk
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02-18-18 01:08 AM - Post#248434
In response to SRP
Mitch said there was a "spirited" players' discussion after the game.
Would have been competitive without the insane 1H three-point shooting (COL 8-12, PRIN 0-13). But I don't know if there's an answer on defense. The zone was promising in the second half but idk if that can hold up for 40 minutes.
KenPom has Princeton favored in both games next weekend, but hard to see how they beat Harvard right now...
http://www.nycbuckets.com/2018/02/columbia-prol ong...
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gokinsmen
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Columbia 02-18-18 03:23 AM - Post#248437
In response to whitakk
Mitch said there was a "spirited" players' discussion after the game.
If they didn't have one before this game...yikes.
If they did have one and THIS was the result...yikes.
This is just a complete and devastating mental collapse. Very disappointed in the team and coaching staff. Once again, I'm starting to regret letting Brian Earl go. Maybe he should have been given the job over Mitch all along.
Technically, they're still alive for that 4th seed, but who cares? There's no evidence they'll be able to win 2 more games this season, much less back-to-back. And if in some fantasy scenario, they pull off an Ivy miracle, so what? Face a #1 seed in the Big Dance?
Let's hope Jaelin Llewellyn can be our Siyani Chambers and provide some instant leadership when he arrives. This team just doesn't "want it" enough. It turns out that cliche really is true. Some teams just care more than others and that's what we're seeing here.
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Eric Von Zipper
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02-18-18 08:56 AM - Post#248447
In response to whitakk
The problem with KenPom is he doesn't leave a phone # to call.
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sparman
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Re: Columbia 02-18-18 11:30 AM - Post#248460
In response to gokinsmen
Let's hope Jaelin Llewellyn can be our Siyani Chambers and provide some instant leadership when he arrives.
Not to be Chicken Little, but at this point, let's just hope he arrives.
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1LotteryPick1969
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Re: Columbia 02-18-18 11:43 AM - Post#248462
In response to sparman
The thought has crossed my mind......
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Silver Maple
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02-18-18 11:43 AM - Post#248463
In response to sparman
I'd be very surprised if Llewellyn were to back out at this point. However, the team does appear to have given up. That has to be a cause for concern among prospective recruits.
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JadwinGeorge
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Re: Columbia 02-18-18 11:47 AM - Post#248465
In response to gokinsmen
Blaming Mitch Henderson is silly and pointless. He was COY last year. His 7 year Ivy record is rather impressive. Last night was as much a factor of a 55 minute game the night before and a 4 he bus ride. I will take my chances with Amir Bell on the line anytime. If the Penn kid makes a FT last year we are out of the tourney. If Stephens makes a FT at Harvard we go into OT there and probably lose. These things are just a matter of luck sometimes. Just not our year that's all. I am happy for Brian Earl and proud of his kids. I would love to see him get into the tournament but this year it's either Penn or Harvard. Whoever wins will deserve the title.
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Silver Maple
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02-18-18 11:52 AM - Post#248470
In response to JadwinGeorge
I don't pretend to know what's truly going on with Princeton. However, from the outside, this doesn't look like a team that's just having some unusually bad luck resulting in a terrible season-- we all know that happens now and then, even to the best coached programs. Rather, it looks like the wheels have come off. I really (honestly) hope we're not seeing a Joe Scott-esque meltdown here, but we might be.
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JadwinGeorge
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02-18-18 12:38 PM - Post#248479
In response to Silver Maple
Scott presented a different set of issues. He totally lost the team. His histrionics and tantrums made it very difficult for his players to give maximum effort. I don't see any signs that the players have given up on Henderson.
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JadwinGeorge
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02-18-18 12:53 PM - Post#248483
In response to JadwinGeorge
I would like to add that Joe Scott did a.nice job at Denver after leaving Princeton and has rejoined Bill Carmody at Holy Cross. He learned and he grew. Henderson is young and very bright. He is surrounded by a terrific support system in Jadwin and has tremendous resources.
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bradley
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02-18-18 01:09 PM - Post#248485
In response to JadwinGeorge
I guess that anything is possible but the thought that Llewellyn will back out or that Mitch is a reincarnation of Joe Scott is really out there. Llewellyn has a perfect situation as to replacing Bell and the Tigers clearly need a point guard.
Henderson going from COY to Joe Scott -- crazy talk.
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