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Username Post: One foot in the grave        (Topic#21205)
Tiger69 
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02-22-18 12:08 AM - Post#248863    

Just as a matter of idle curiosity (and I really don't think it will happen), if the Tigers somehow put everything back together and won their last four games, is there any chance that they could get the last spot in the tournament with a 7-7 record? That would give them (or possibly someone else) the outside chance of knocking the wheels off the tournament by upsetting the rightful recipient of the NCAA bid. It wouldn't be just, but if it were Harvard or Penn, it would certainly be sweet ... and it might start a groundswell to give future bids to the real champion.

 
palestra38 
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Re: One foot in the grave
02-22-18 12:12 AM - Post#248864    
    In response to Tiger69

I agree with you, but the tournament is not going away.

 
mrjames 
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Re: One foot in the grave
02-22-18 08:36 AM - Post#248872    
    In response to Tiger69

If the Tigers won out, they’d almost certainly be in. Very tenuous scenarios would leave them out (basically, Cornell and Columbia both winning out - Columbia could lose one but not to Harvard). Realistically, 7-7 is a guarantee.

6-8 is very possible but requires a win over Harvard, Yale to beat Columbia, Yale to be the third place team and Penn to beat Brown, as one of the most likely paths.

 
sparman 
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Re: One foot in the grave
02-22-18 09:03 AM - Post#248875    
    In response to mrjames

6-8 worked for Penn last year. Yay.

 
SomeGuy 
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Re: One foot in the grave
02-22-18 09:23 AM - Post#248877    
    In response to palestra38

Correct. I actually think an upset winner will play as a positive for the Ivy tournament and not a negative. I mean that in the macro sense — obviously if Penn loses in the semis I’m not going to view that as positive.

 
Tiger69 
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Re: One foot in the grave
02-22-18 10:27 AM - Post#248878    
    In response to palestra38

No, the Tournament is not going away. But, in the Court Report yesterday Courtney Banghart said that she felt that the regular season winner should be awarded the NCAA bid. So, next year who makes this decision (i.e. how the bid will be determined in the future)?

 
palestra38 
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Re: One foot in the grave
02-22-18 10:46 AM - Post#248881    
    In response to Tiger69

About 10 people would show up for a tournament where the bid was not at stake. That ain't happening, either.

 
bradley 
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Re: One foot in the grave
02-22-18 11:47 AM - Post#248887    
    In response to SomeGuy

You maybe correct that a 4th bid winner might be a short-term boost for the IL Tournament but a 40 pt loss to Villanova as a 16th seed does not boost the reputation of the League. I thought that one of the goals of the IL tournament was to enhance the IL brand as well as getting a 2nd ncaa bid, increased regular season attendance, assist recruiting efforts etc etc etc. If the primary end game goal of the IL tournament is the IL Tournament, you may be right?????

 
SomeGuy 
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Re: One foot in the grave
02-22-18 01:00 PM - Post#248890    
    In response to bradley

I’m not sure — my guess is that more eyeballs on the number one seed’s Game means more publicity even in a blowout. I also think more exposure for somebody who isn’t Princeton, Harvard, or Yale would be good for the league overall. For league recruiting as a whole, giving potential recruits more choices for a potential NCAA appearance is likely a good thing.

That’s just this year though. In recent years, I think even our 4th place team avoids a 16 most of the time.

 
Tiger69 
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Re: One foot in the grave
02-22-18 02:20 PM - Post#248897    
    In response to palestra38

So what? That's 10 more people than it deserves.

 
palestra38 
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Re: One foot in the grave
02-22-18 02:30 PM - Post#248898    
    In response to Tiger69

To an extent, I know what you mean. If Saturday's Penn-Harvard game were likely for the title, the Palestra would be a sellout. It will still be a good crowd, but it will not have the same intensity.

 
Silver Maple 
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02-22-18 03:25 PM - Post#248911    
    In response to palestra38

I assuming that there's a major on-campus effort to get the fans in the stands on Saturday, yes? Hopefully? Please?

 
Go Green 
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Re: One foot in the grave
02-22-18 06:09 PM - Post#248941    
    In response to Tiger69

  • Tiger69 Said:
Courtney Banghart said that she felt that the regular season winner should be awarded the NCAA bid.



This is not news. Banghart has been vocally against the tourney from the get-go.

 
Go Green 
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Re: One foot in the grave
02-22-18 06:10 PM - Post#248943    
    In response to sparman

  • sparman Said:
6-8 worked for Penn last year. Yay.



And an 8-6 women's team will likely be left out in the cold this season...

 
Go Green 
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Re: One foot in the grave
02-22-18 06:11 PM - Post#248944    
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  • bradley Said:
You maybe correct that a 4th bid winner might be a short-term boost for the IL Tournament but a 40 pt loss to Villanova as a 16th seed does not boost the reputation of the League.



In that situation, the Ivy team has likely won the play-in game and earned the league some big cash.

 
bradley 
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Re: One foot in the grave
02-22-18 08:31 PM - Post#248953    
    In response to palestra38

The Palestra would be “crazy” if this game decided which team would go to the Big Dance but we have IvyMadness. It still should be a great game. I like Harvard to win but Penn could send a definite message but everyone should beware of Makai in one game if the Bulldogs and Hobes get there.

 
sparman 
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Re: One foot in the grave
02-23-18 12:10 AM - Post#248970    
    In response to Go Green

So? .500 teams don't belong.

 
SRP 
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02-23-18 11:54 AM - Post#249007    
    In response to sparman

Of course I'm rooting for the Tigers to beat Harvard, sweep the rest, and steal the NCAA bid. I also take tax deductions that I know are bad public policy.

I don't think any outcome this year would sway the powers that be to drop the league folly. Penn looking strong enough to maybe deserve hosting privileges neutralizes the easiest critical talking point, and it would take several years of declining attendance and ratings to even get the issue on the table. So we're doomed to have games like Saturday's matter very little while everyone obsesses on who's the mediocrest of them all.

 
palestra38 
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02-23-18 11:57 AM - Post#249009    
    In response to SRP

Isn't that what the Wicked Stepmother asked Robin Harris? Or vice versa?

 
SRP 
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02-23-18 12:07 PM - Post#249010    
    In response to palestra38

Glad you got the fairy-tale reference even without me invoking a mirror.

 
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