SteveChop
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02-28-18 02:48 PM - Post#249863
In response to Streamers
Why do you think Coach K wants to reform one and done now that he uses it?
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Streamers
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02-28-18 03:04 PM - Post#249868
In response to SteveChop
Let's just say there is a big disconnect in the Athletic Dept. between the Marketing/Promotions folks and everyone else.
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section110
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02-28-18 03:47 PM - Post#249878
In response to SteveChop
Who is that woman related to? Where did she come from?
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LyleGold
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02-28-18 04:12 PM - Post#249881
In response to palestra38
I mean if we wanted to go the Duke route.
Which is a combination of the Amaker route (Duke is where he learned his questionable recruiting techniques) and the one-and-done route (which Duke has embraced heavily). Of course, we'd have to offer athletic scholarships, which Duke does and Harvard has learned to simulate.
In other words, we'd have to crawl into the gutter with the other vermin.
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mrjames
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02-28-18 04:13 PM - Post#249882
In response to LyleGold
I see we're still on the fun Amaker recruiting narrative.
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palestra38
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02-28-18 04:28 PM - Post#249887
In response to mrjames
Well, Lyle took it a lot farther than I did.
I will say, however, that it would appear that Amaker is much closer to the AAU scene than is Donahue. That alone is proof of nothing, but the FBI report pretty clearly places the source of the demands for money in the AAU system.
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LyleGold
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Harvard
02-28-18 04:49 PM - Post#249890
In response to palestra38
How about penalizing schools when their players leave early? If you take away their scholarships, they might not recruit athletes who only go to college to play sports and nothing else. Remember Andrew Gaze who returned to Australia the day after Seton Hall lost to Michigan? Those kind of guys belong in professional leagues and not the NCAA.
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LyleGold
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02-28-18 04:53 PM - Post#249892
In response to mrjames
I see we're still on the fun Amaker recruiting narrative.
C'mon, he sent his Duke buddy to play pickup games with recruits before hiring him as an assistant. I guess it's not illegal contact if he isn't on your staff - yet. He also accidentally bumped into Zack Rosen's father in a ShopRite during a high school tournament in New Jersey. You think those kinds of shenanigans are isolated incidents?
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LyleGold
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02-28-18 04:54 PM - Post#249895
In response to SteveChop
Why do you think Coach K wants to reform one and done now that he uses it?
He was for it before he was against it.
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Streamers
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02-28-18 05:54 PM - Post#249903
In response to SteveChop
Why do you think Coach K wants to reform one and done now that he uses it?
He resisted it for as long as he could and has been critical of it since. He knows that he will probably have an advantage in the smaller pool of top talent and he has always seen the value in kids who play together for 2+ years and in the program for 4.
K on 1-done
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mrjames
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02-28-18 05:59 PM - Post#249905
In response to LyleGold
Do you have anything that didn't happen a decade ago?
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Quakers03
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02-28-18 06:09 PM - Post#249910
In response to mrjames
Do you have anything that didn't happen a decade ago?
Lol. You mean anything we know about? To get defensive over facts is not a good look. It doesn't matter if it happened 10 years ago or 10 minutes ago. I guess we should just take your (his) word for it that nothing like that goes on anymore?
As for what to do with college basketball, the simplest and best answer is making the entire thing legal. No more amateurism. If olympic athletes can get paid, why can't these kids? Let the market dictate what everyone is worth and let it all be legal. It's never going to stop and the top programs are always going to get the top talent, so why keep going with the charade?
I thought this piece from CBS was a good read on the situation:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/ne ws/...
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penn nation
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Harvard
02-28-18 06:12 PM - Post#249914
In response to Quakers03
Forgive Mike James. He has a very difficult time ever admitting Harvard has any built in advantages or ever engages in wrongdoing.
Edited by penn nation on 02-28-18 06:12 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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LyleGold
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02-28-18 06:17 PM - Post#249919
In response to mrjames
No. Do I have to? Is that proof that he's stopped doing it? When a guy comes out of the ACC, the Big East, and the Big 10, and then steps into the Ivy League and tries that stuff, it's pretty clear he knows how to play the game. Has he turned into a choir boy all of a sudden?
We do know that Harvard gave him a big initial advantage with what amounts to full scholarships for many players and a favorable relationship with admissions. I think other Ivies have followed suit with grant only financial aid.
Nonetheless, do you actually think Harvard's sudden, meteoric rise is the result of Amaker's brilliant coaching? I'm confident that Penn's steady improvement is.
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LyleGold
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Re: Harvard
02-28-18 06:20 PM - Post#249921
In response to penn nation
Forgive Mike James. He has a very difficult time ever admitting Harvard has any built in advantages or ever engages in wrongdoing.
I'm not in a position to forgive anybody regardless of how misguided they may be. I prefer righteous indignation; it goes well with the chip on my shoulder.
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palestra38
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Re: Harvard
02-28-18 06:24 PM - Post#249926
In response to LyleGold
You finally described yourself perfectly.
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LyleGold
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02-28-18 06:26 PM - Post#249927
In response to Quakers03
Do you have anything that didn't happen a decade ago?
As for what to do with college basketball, the simplest and best answer is making the entire thing legal. No more amateurism. If olympic athletes can get paid, why can't these kids? Let the market dictate what everyone is worth and let it all be legal.
Well, that's the same argument for legalized marijuana and prostitution, in addition to getting organized crime out of the picture. I just don't see that role for colleges. With that argument, we should let it all be professional on various levels like with European sports.
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LyleGold
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Re: Harvard
02-28-18 06:28 PM - Post#249928
In response to palestra38
You finally described yourself perfectly.
Wow, is this the moment of clarity I've been waiting for?
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Streamers
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Re: Harvard
02-28-18 07:00 PM - Post#249935
In response to LyleGold
Another perspective on last weekend:
Quaker Meeting House blog
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LyleGold
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02-28-18 07:46 PM - Post#249937
In response to Streamers
If Penn had decided to bolt the Ivy for the ACC after we lost Gene Banks, we could have been Duke. As it stands now, no.
Anyone remember the DP joke issue on April Fools Day in '79? Having beaten Wake Forest and UVa during the season and UNC on the way to the Final Four, many of us thought it was for real.
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