candyfan
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03-02-18 07:04 AM - Post#250108
Coach Davis indicated after the win over Loyola that the suspension of Moore, Toomer and Newman may not be over? Said the team will review the status of the three players and the incident(s) between now and next game.
That's all he would say. Gave no further details on what happened or even when it happened.
This is a big letdown to the Team and should not be happening to players with high academic standards. One would like to think that smarter means smarter! Staying out of trouble for sake of the team.
Note, the Loyola bench vastly outscored the Bucknell bench. Result of three guys suspended?
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BUFan
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03-02-18 07:16 AM - Post#250109
In response to candyfan
I feel like (and hope) that may be coach speak. By leaving the door open to keep the suspension going he may be hoping to motivate the players in practice and to make certain whatever triggered the suspension does not recur. Disappointing regardless.
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Old Bison
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03-02-18 08:29 AM - Post#250112
In response to BUFan
Disclosure- I have no inside information
That said. Although the staff obviously has some character and is fulfilling the Bucknell mission statement with respect to priorities I would expect the “teaching moment†is now over. You can’t let the animals run the zoo but at the same time it’s counterproductive to burn the zoo down to prove they’ll be other zoos on other days.
I’m more concerned about whether these recurring infractions are getting to the point where the program and these young men are going to agree to disagree. This is push comes to shove time now and it is not a situation where “if nothing changes, nothing changesâ€. This is sustainable at a place like Bucknell.
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Old Bison
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03-02-18 08:30 AM - Post#250113
In response to Old Bison
Not sustainable
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bison63
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03-02-18 09:29 AM - Post#250115
In response to Old Bison
Strike two on Bruce Moore!
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Bison89
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03-02-18 09:33 AM - Post#250117
In response to bison63
It would be interesting to learn what actually happened, but there is a good chance that we will never know.
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DoCtoR62
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03-02-18 10:02 AM - Post#250120
In response to Bison89
Given the players' visibility on the bench (next to the coaches, not at the end) and their level of engagement with the players on the floor, my guess is this is not a long-term issue.
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Old Bison
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03-02-18 10:13 AM - Post#250121
In response to DoCtoR62
Doctor - your read is correct and counter to my last post where I was concerned about longer term complications I will conclude this by saying that at places like Buck “teaching moments†come first.
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Old Bison
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03-02-18 10:18 AM - Post#250122
In response to Old Bison
B63...if you include Monmouth it was strike 2 1/2. That said it’s over. Time to concentrate on attacking zones
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raymondbucknell
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03-02-18 12:10 PM - Post#250133
In response to DoCtoR62
Given the players' visibility on the bench (next to the coaches, not at the end) and their level of engagement with the players on the floor, my guess is this is not a long-term issue.
I noticed the same thing and I hope you’re right.
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NoMoney89
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03-02-18 01:07 PM - Post#250153
In response to raymondbucknell
And lets not all jump to conclusions. (although that's what message boards are for I guess). The players in question are all 18 or 19 yrs old, correct? Who among us has a blemish free existence for those years of our lives? Yes it's a shame they did whatever caused them to be suspended, but I'm not ready to throw them under the bus until we know a lot more. (which we may never do)
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A Western Bison
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03-02-18 03:28 PM - Post#250186
In response to NoMoney89
I am glad that ND, during the post-game, allowed last night's game stand with the minimum of discussion of the suspensions. That presser was about that game. I believe that is why he delayed further discussion of the suspensions. We just get to wait it out.
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Bison89
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03-02-18 04:15 PM - Post#250202
In response to NoMoney89
And lets not all jump to conclusions. (although that's what message boards are for I guess). The players in question are all 18 or 19 yrs old, correct? Who among us has a blemish free existence for those years of our lives? Yes it's a shame they did whatever caused them to be suspended, but I'm not ready to throw them under the bus until we know a lot more. (which we may never do)
To the best of my knowledge, I never did anything that might be considered rude, stupid, irreverent, disrespectful, or otherwise just plain dumb 1985-1989 . . . and if you believe that one, I have a bridge to sell you! 
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candyfan
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03-02-18 05:11 PM - Post#250210
In response to Bison89
Sticking my basketball neck out on speculation, I'm thinking Davis will let them hang by their thumbs until sometime before the game on Sunday at 2pm.
There's the teaching moment and then there's the reality of the game on Sunday. It would seem there's room for both - let 'em sweat it out, Loyola into the weekend, then get them motivated to shape up and help win what could be a tough semi-final game.
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Old Bison
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03-02-18 07:04 PM - Post#250218
In response to candyfan
Doctor - your read is correct
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jkrun80
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03-02-18 09:08 PM - Post#250248
In response to NoMoney89
And lets not all jump to conclusions. (although that's what message boards are for I guess). The players in question are all 18 or 19 yrs old, correct? Who among us has a blemish free existence for those years of our lives? Yes it's a shame they did whatever caused them to be suspended, but I'm not ready to throw them under the bus until we know a lot more. (which we may never do)
Yes, let's not read too much into the situation. I recall Will Carter getting suspended from the football team a number of times. But when he joined the track team his senior year, the coaches and his teammates had no issues with him. Sometimes discipline issues are in the eye of the beholder.
I know nothing about the current situation on the basketball team, but it could be far milder than many of the things I did during my time at Bucknell. That is the nature of things now. Athletes are held to a higher standard than the general student body at Bucknell which was not the case back in the day.
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MrPhillie
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3 Player suspension - It May Not Be Over
03-02-18 11:19 PM - Post#250339
In response to jkrun80
Mild or not, apparently rules the team and/or athletic department/school feels are appropriate, important and fair were broken and suspensions were deemed necessary and appropriate. While I understand young adults will be young adults, I’d be careful to just blow it off, especially since this is Bruce’s second suspension. I am admittedly not a historian of Bucknell basketball but since I’ve been following the team, I do not recall such suspensions...and Coaches Flannery and Paulsen did not appear to be coaches to let much slide, so I have to assume there wasn’t cause to suspend players. Why this year have there been multiple occasions? Are expectations of behavior really that much higher today? I’m not saying to make this more than it needs to be, but I also don’t believe in the “kids will be kids†excuses. They let the team down as well as themselves. It is easier to not make a big deal about it because Bucknell won the game...but I wonder if the mood would be different if the Bison lost? We all make mistakes, hopefully it is a lesson learned.
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bison63
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03-02-18 11:31 PM - Post#250344
In response to MrPhillie
I agree, Phillie.
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candyfan
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03-03-18 02:52 AM - Post#250370
In response to bison63
Hafta say that standards for athletes at Bucknell and elsewhere have not changed from back in the day.
It's always been the case that athletes represent their school, while on home court and especially when visiting other courts. Ditto for a football field, baseball field, etc.
Changes? Well, for one, Bucknell basketball players playing away were required to wear white shirt and necktie "back in the day", the way I remember it.
I believe that's correct and I also believe that's not true of today's Bucknell basketball players?
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BUFan
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03-03-18 07:13 AM - Post#250372
In response to candyfan
Bucknell just posted the game notes. Says Toomer and Newman will be in uniform while Moore remains out indefinitely.
Speculating it is due to a second offense for Moore?
In uniform doesn’t definitely mean play or start, but I would guess no restrictions.
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