BUFan
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03-03-18 07:13 AM - Post#250373
In response to BUFan
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bisonmania
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03-03-18 09:55 AM - Post#250392
In response to BUFan
Without Moore tomorrow it will be very tough. He is a solid defender. It will be very important for Sestina to not get into foul trouble and the same for Toomer.
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bison63
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03-03-18 12:14 PM - Post#250416
In response to bisonmania
I’m all for rules and such, but have definite mixed emotions here. Apparently, the team does not appear to have a hard and fast rule like “late once miss one game, late twice miss two.†I’d think if they did ND would just say so. In any event i’d guess Moore has done himself irreparable damage. The mixed feelings on my part have to do with the fact that the whole team is in fact punished for his actions. OTOH, you can’t accuse ND of just applying the rule for an “easy†game. (Some easy game Loyola was)
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HuskyColonial
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03-03-18 08:31 PM - Post#250535
In response to bison63
So call me naive but this seems to me that three of them engaged in an activity in which Moore was the leader. If so and this is Moore’s second infraction, he should sit indefinitely.
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bison63
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03-03-18 09:18 PM - Post#250566
In response to HuskyColonial
Looks to me like that is what is happening.
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MrPhillie
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03-03-18 09:43 PM - Post#250593
In response to bison63
Just from outward appearance at the Loyola game, Bruce didn’t seem too concerned, as he was his usual smiling, silly self.
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Bison137
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03-03-18 09:49 PM - Post#250604
In response to HuskyColonial
So call me naive but this seems to me that three of them engaged in an activity in which Moore was the leader. If so and this is Moore’s second infraction, he should sit indefinitely.
All three did the same thing, but I haven't seen anything that indicates Moore was the leader. As others have said, I think his longer suspension is simply a function of it being his second violation. I think Bruce has a good attitude as far as the actual basketball goes and is usually very positive on the bench. But there seem to be some maturity issues and he may need a lot better organizational skills.
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bison63
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03-09-18 12:19 AM - Post#251475
In response to Bison137
Ok, let’s talk about this Moore suspension. All we hear is “violation of team rules,†but I am wondering just what that rule is. Is there a rule that says “ late one time for a meeting and you sit the next game?†Do it again and you sit the season.†Just what rule was violated that would lead you to tell a kid he cannot play the NCAA tourney? It would seem to me that it would have to be a lot more serious than being )8late, and maybe it is. Just having a hard time believing that being late for a meeting should get a kid suspended for the dance after he has already sat out the league tournament. So what’s going on here. Is it possible that there is no connection between the Moore suspension and Toomer/Newman ones and that Moore really did something serious. I’m not questioning rules, or the need for them, nor am I questioning the need to enforce them once they are set. Just wondering what the hell this kid did to warrant so severe a punishment?
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raymondbucknell
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03-09-18 01:01 AM - Post#251478
In response to bison63
They’re young adults. And I’m sure basically good kids. So, it seems to me the three of them all got in the same trouble and Moore is paying the heavier price bc it’s not his first offense. And I’d just as soon not know what it is about. That is between ND and his players. There is a reason why we don’t get to know. As much as we all are enthusiastic about Bison basketball, some of what goes on in the relationship between student athlete and the University and coaches is really none of our business. Go Bison!
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atlantabison
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03-09-18 08:04 AM - Post#251483
In response to raymondbucknell
Yes, nice post Raymond. Let us not sink into what could only become gossip without the fact. Facts which we will never have and which we should not have.
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BisonFan4
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3 Player suspension - It May Not Be Over
03-09-18 09:58 AM - Post#251499
In response to atlantabison
You nailed it right on the head Raymond, all 3 were involved in same incident but it was Moore's 2nd time for the same offense. I'm just grateful to see Bruce has maintained a great attitude & enthusiastically supports his teammates on the sideline thru this suspension. Not being able to play in either tournament has got to be killing him. A stupid decision has cost him greatly. I'm.sure it's a lesson learned
Edited by BisonFan4 on 03-09-18 10:00 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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mcapodee
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03-09-18 12:30 PM - Post#251536
In response to BisonFan4
I'm all for teaching moments, but assuming there are no potential legal issues which (through fourth-hand information) it sounds like there aren't, I think ND should allow Bruce to play in the tournament.
The seniors deserve the best chance to win next week and that means Bruce on the floor. Hopefully he gets the point by now that rules apply to everyone, even the starting five, and the rest of the team can stop paying consequences for his indiscretion.
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bison63
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03-09-18 01:45 PM - Post#251551
In response to mcapodee
That is basically what I was trying to say! Thanks!
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Old Bison
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03-10-18 10:02 AM - Post#251645
In response to bison63
I agree. Unless Bruce did something really egregious the point has been made. Without knowing the offense though it's hard to say that conclusively. One way out of this bind politically w/o compromising discipline and integrity in the future is for the coach to put it to a private vote of team members that is walled off (I.e., team doesn’t know who voted what). I don’t get the impression ND is running a Democracy however, but I do get the impression it is very important to the coaching staff that the nature of the offense remains within the program.
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BisonFan4
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03-10-18 10:08 AM - Post#251647
In response to Old Bison
I do know the offense, & knowing it I believe the severity of the punishment is due more to the fact it was his second offense for the same incident.
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Old Bison
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03-10-18 10:12 AM - Post#251648
In response to BisonFan4
Thanks for holding private. Bruce should be protected.
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Bison137
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03-10-18 11:30 AM - Post#251661
In response to BisonFan4
I do know the offense, & knowing it I believe the severity of the punishment is due more to the fact it was his second offense for the same incident.
Agree 100%. I also know it, and I think the three games is definitely enough for the offense. At many P5 schools, there would have been no suspension at all.
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BisonFan4
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03-10-18 01:53 PM - Post#251674
In response to Bison137
I agree, although you know others may feel differently
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bison63
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03-10-18 03:57 PM - Post#251700
In response to BisonFan4
Who is punished most by keeping him out? Bruce or the team?
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BisonFan4
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3 Player suspension - It May Not Be Over
03-10-18 04:00 PM - Post#251702
In response to bison63
By our performances in the Semis & Championship, with PL record margin of victory, I think the team is doing just fine in his absence. So to answer your question, Bruce.
Edited by BisonFan4 on 03-10-18 04:00 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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