Paulie777
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3 Player suspension - It May Not Be Over 03-13-18 03:36 PM - Post#252809
In response to bison63
Thank you Bison63. Essentially they are fragmented in the make up of the team perhaps affecting minor aspects of their play, all the ally-oops are from MacKenzie to Sestina they seems to have a unique chemistry. And what did Bruce Moore do to warrant a suspension? Drink expired milk? Im guessing its not really anything horribly bad.
Horribly bad could be saved for our opponent with the gymnastics debacle where perhaps Izzo should have resigned. Thats bad, we should get a free pass from them right there. Or Arizona also. These teams shouldn't even be playing in this tournament.
Edited by Paulie777 on 03-13-18 03:40 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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bison63
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03-13-18 03:54 PM - Post#252813
In response to BisonFan4
Did not mean to say “Pauline,†in my previous post. Freaking iPhone always miscorrecting me.
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JDBison2010
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03-13-18 03:55 PM - Post#252814
In response to Paulie777
No need to speculate any more, Bruce is out for the game
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/97 364618443...
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Paulie777
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03-13-18 04:05 PM - Post#252819
In response to JDBison2010
And yeah, our AD did leave for greener pastures and Michigan States AD resigned to let the country heal. Maybe I get swept up in a middle class morality but it does bother me when some coach has to feel up some young gymnasts. Yet the prevailing thought is get over it and enjoy the tournament! We're all in the same country and its nagging on me. What are Michigan State people thinking? So what, get over it? I guess I have no choice but to fill out my brackets.
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DoCtoR62
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03-13-18 04:31 PM - Post#252825
In response to Paulie777
The suspension has certainly fragmented this board. Remember, we all want the same thing, regardless of the perspective from whence we view the world. I am all in on Bruce Moore in 18/19.
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crd012
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03-13-18 04:35 PM - Post#252826
In response to JDBison2010
To me this is cutting off our nose to spite our face. If he has the same offense as Avi and Newman there is no reason to go to this degree of punishment (especially if he is truly sorry). Playing in the NCAA tourney is a life event...we’re really taking that away? Are we trying to force a transfer? Seems like a good idea when you consider our recruits for next year.
Not to mention this hurts the senior class that has been so great. This is just unreasonable to me.
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Bison137
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03-13-18 06:23 PM - Post#252849
In response to Paulie777
And yeah, our AD did leave for greener pastures and Michigan States AD resigned to let the country heal.
What does John Hardt leaving for a higher-level job and a higher salary - going from one prestigious school to another - have to do with the Michigan State AD leaving due to being right in the middle of a terrible scandal?
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Bison137
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03-13-18 06:26 PM - Post#252850
In response to crd012
If he has the same offense as Avi and Newman there is no reason to go to this degree of punishment (especially if he is truly sorry).
We can debate the length of the suspension, but it is not accurate to say it is the same offense as Avi and Paul. For Bruce it was a second offense, as opposed to it being a first offense for the others. Yes, the punishment seems a bit harsh to me, but I imagine after the first violation that Bruce was told what the punishment would be for a repeat offense.
Having said that, I guarantee that if one of Tom Izzo's regulars committed the same offense, they would not have sat out.
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SpartyJon
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Re: Nassar / Hollis 03-13-18 06:29 PM - Post#252851
In response to Paulie777
Have not a thing to do with Izzo. I appreciate Bucknell's reputation for integrity but I'm not going to stand for people trying to dragging Izzo through the mud because of what happened in another sport and above his head.
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crd012
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03-13-18 06:32 PM - Post#252852
In response to Bison137
If he has the same offense as Avi and Newman there is no reason to go to this degree of punishment (especially if he is truly sorry).
We can debate the length of the suspension, but it is not accurate to say it is the same offense as Avi and Paul. For Bruce it was a second offense, as opposed to it being a first offense for the others. Yes, the punishment seems a bit harsh to me, but I imagine after the first violation that Bruce was told what the punishment would be for a repeat offense.
Having said that, I guarantee that if one of Tom Izzo's regulars committed the same offense, they would not have sat out.
If that’s the case why did Davis say they would evaluate Bruce’s eligibility after each of the PL games? This seems like nothing was set in stone and that Davis is deciding each game. You are obviously more connected than me, but to me this doesn’t seem set. I really don’t like this at all. It’s one thing to hold yourself to higher standards it’s another thing to be on your high horse.
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Bison1999
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03-13-18 06:44 PM - Post#252853
In response to crd012
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I think this about sums it up: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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bison63
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03-13-18 06:45 PM - Post#252854
In response to crd012
To me this is cutting off our nose to spite our face. If he has the same offense as Avi and Newman there is no reason to go to this degree of punishment (especially if he is truly sorry). Playing in the NCAA tourney is a life event...we’re really taking that away? Are we trying to force a transfer? Seems like a good idea when you consider our recruits for next year.
Not to mention this hurts the senior class that has been so great. This is just unreasonable to me.
I agree 100%!! That is why I am thinking there is more to it.
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Bison137
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Re: Nassar / Hollis 03-13-18 06:49 PM - Post#252855
In response to SpartyJon
Have not a thing to do with Izzo. I appreciate Bucknell's reputation for integrity but I'm not going to stand for people trying to dragging Izzo through the mud because of what happened in another sport and above his head.
Not talking about the various scandals. Talking about minor rules violations where players have not been suspended for multiple games. What Moore did wouldn't even be a blip on the radar of a P5 school.
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Bison137
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03-13-18 06:51 PM - Post#252856
In response to bison63
To me this is cutting off our nose to spite our face. If he has the same offense as Avi and Newman there is no reason to go to this degree of punishment (especially if he is truly sorry). Playing in the NCAA tourney is a life event...we’re really taking that away? Are we trying to force a transfer? Seems like a good idea when you consider our recruits for next year.
Not to mention this hurts the senior class that has been so great. This is just unreasonable to me.
I agree 100%!! That is why I am thinking there is more to it.
I am pretty sure that all there is to it is that this is a second offense and he was told the punishment would be a lot harsher the next time. I think too severe - but each coach has to decide what he thinks is best for the long-term success of the team.
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Bison137
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03-13-18 07:05 PM - Post#252859
In response to Bison137
A few things to keep in mind when evaluating the seriousness of the offense and whether he is still viewed as part of the team:
1. He was allowed to sit on the bench with the rest of the team every game.
2. He was allowed to help cut down the net with his teammates following the final win.
3. He was in the official team championship picture.
4. He was in the sophomore class picture on BucknellBison.com of the three sophs holding the trophy.
5. The Bison website had a picture of him cutting down the net - something they didn't have to do.
Also he was very animated on the bench in terms of supporting his teammates. No sulking of any kind.
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jkrun80
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03-13-18 07:14 PM - Post#252861
In response to Bison137
Playing basketball (or any sport) at Bucknell is about more than basketball. Not knowing the offense, I have to trust that the coaching staff thinks this is best for Bruce's future.
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MrPhillie
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03-13-18 07:21 PM - Post#252863
In response to Bison137
I have no idea of what caused the players to be suspended and I guess it’s none of my business. Obviously Coach Davis feels this punishment isn’t too severe. Just as he runs a particular offense and defense he feels will make his team most successful, just as his coaching style is different from previous coaches because it is what he feels is most successful, he has a discipline system in place which he feels will help players be more successful not only as basketball players on his team, but as people in life. He sees Bruce everyday and perhaps he doesn’t see yet what he wants to see from him. I have no idea. But he is in a much better position to know these things than any of us. We don’t have to agree with all of his decisions but I suppose he’s earned the right to make them and for us to respect that right. As for the difference between any Patriot League or Ivy League school and a Power 5 school, you could list a million differences, including this discipline decision. These comparisons do little to be productive. Bucknell’s students are just like many other students across America, they do stupid things that hopefully they learn from. No better, no worse. (However, Bucknell is often cited as a leading party school...which is either a good thing or bad thing depending on your perspective.)
I am often critical of Coach Davis for certain things but at the end of he day, he is much better equipped to make these decisions than I, so I have to respect that.
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Bison89
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03-13-18 08:33 PM - Post#252885
In response to MrPhillie
I have largely stayed out of this debate, but ultimately, I am in favor of deferring to Coach Davis when it comes to discipline. It is a very slippery slope when it comes to giving athletes preferential treatment of any type, and as a Bucknellian, I would prefer to not go there.
I feel bad for Moore, but hopefully, this will make him a better person. Not just a better player.
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MangyOne
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03-14-18 07:23 AM - Post#252930
In response to MrPhillie
Well said, Mr. Phillie - Time to move on - GO BISON !
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Paulie777
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03-14-18 10:21 AM - Post#252952
In response to MangyOne
Lewisburg is a small town so I do know the offense but what I heard from a reliable source is Bruce won't be playing until Jan. of next year.
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