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Username Post: WBB PL Tournament        (Topic#21258)
Bison137 
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03-11-18 02:11 PM - Post#251943    
    In response to jkrun80

Yes, definite chance. PL will have two teams in it, as Navy is virtually certain to get a bid. Bison would have had a good shot for an at-large as well, with their 90 RPI and a win over top 50 American. For comparison's sake, their RPI in 2015-16 was 92.




 
Bison54 
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03-11-18 03:19 PM - Post#251978    
    In response to Bison137

How about a rematch in the finals?


 
jkrun80 
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03-11-18 05:13 PM - Post#252026    
    In response to Bison54

Auto qualifiers are listed here: https://www.womensnit.com/tournament-field.html

Other team likely to be in the field:
West Virginia
Southern California
Oklahoma
Purdue
Michigan State
Indiana
Virginia Tech
UCF

I could see us playing WVU or VaTech.

 
Bison137 
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03-11-18 05:51 PM - Post#252045    
    In response to jkrun80

All of those teams are ones who will narrowly miss the NCAA field and thus be high NIT seeds. I think the Bison will be matched up with a team worse than any of these. More like Akron two years ago.




 
jkrun80 
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03-11-18 07:06 PM - Post#252103    
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  • Bison137 Said:
All of those teams are ones who will narrowly miss the NCAA field and thus be high NIT seeds. I think the Bison will be matched up with a team worse than any of these. More like Akron two years ago.


We were very lucky with the Akron draw. I'm not optimistic we'll get an opponent that close to our level this year.

 
Bison137 
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03-11-18 08:49 PM - Post#252152    
    In response to jkrun80

Since the seeding for the WNIT is very loose, it's hard to project what will happen. However there are 128 teams that make either the NCAA or NIT. The Bison's final RPI will be about #89. If we assume ten NCAA auto-bid teams are worse than 89, that means that BU would rank about 35th of the 64 teams that make the NIT field, and they would have one win vs a top 50 team. Hard to say what the committee will do, but I don't see them drawing one of the toughest teams in the first round.

One other consideration is that there are 13 teams with auto-bids who are worse than BU.




 
DoCtoR62 
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03-12-18 12:06 PM - Post#252365    
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Looking solely at RPI, Drexel and Penn will both be among the top 10 teams in the WNIT. Is that strong enough to get each a home game? Other regional schools ranked similarly to the Bison are Fordham; Penn State, which actually has an RPI just below Bucknell's; and Delaware, whose RPI is even lower but averages over 1,400 fans per game which might buy them a home game? Rutgers is on the NCAA bubble. Per 137's belief, doubt we'd play them if they did wind up in the WNIT. As for West Virginia, Robert Morris makes a lot of sense as a first round opponent.

Edited by DoCtoR62 on 03-12-18 12:08 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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03-12-18 12:57 PM - Post#252395    
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  • Bison137 Said:
Since the seeding for the WNIT is very loose, it's hard to project what will happen. However there are 128 teams that make either the NCAA or NIT. The Bison's final RPI will be about #89. If we assume ten NCAA auto-bid teams are worse than 89, that means that BU would rank about 35th of the 64 teams that make the NIT field, and they would have one win vs a top 50 team. Hard to say what the committee will do, but I don't see them drawing one of the toughest teams in the first round.

One other consideration is that there are 13 teams with auto-bids who are worse than BU.


I was thinking there were 32 teams like the men's tourney. A first round win is very possible (and a site reasonably close to home). Hopefully, they avoid regular season opponents (i.e. Drexel) for at least the first round.

 
DoCtoR62 
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03-12-18 01:00 PM - Post#252396    
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Yes, I don't think Drexel is an option. I was only looking at the ratings and forgot that we had played them during the regular season.

 
Bison137 
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03-12-18 03:06 PM - Post#252469    
    In response to DoCtoR62

Here is the WNIT scheduling/seeding process:

Tiered Grouping Procedures:

- After the WNIT committee chooses the 64 teams adhering to the above-mentioned selection process, the teams are grouped into tiers. The system is used to establish teams’ strengths to assist in the bracketing process.
- The committee groups the 64 teams using a combination of tools, including the ranking systems and other criteria listed in the selection process.
This is a general placement of what is considered a distribution of the field strength.

The Bracket Process:

- The committee makes every attempt to distribute the top schools evenly across the bracket.
- First-round pairings are determined initially on team strength (i.e. a top tier team plays a bottom tier team; a middle tier team plays a middle tier team) and then may be adjusted with consideration to school location, conference, and prior meetings among teams, among other factors. See below for details.
- Teams from the same conference will not meet in the first round. If possible, conference teams will not meet in the second round as well.
- Rematches of regular-season games shall be avoided, if possible, in the first round.
- Some pairings are dictated by schools’ ability to host. For example, two schools that cannot host will not be paired with each other.
- Factors can preclude teams from being placed in their natural grouping when it comes to bracketing games. These factors include travel issues, school location, facility availability, lodging constraints, previous games with WNIT opponents, etc.
- The committee strives to achieve competitive balance within each quadrant of the bracket, as well as tries to limit teams’ travel and missed school days.

How the host schools are chosen:

- The host site for each game is selected by the WNIT committee based on several factors such as fan base, host bids, facility availability, tournament seed, travel constraints, etc.
- A team's desire or ability to host or not to host has absolutely no bearing on that team being chosen for the 64-team field.




 
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03-12-18 08:34 PM - Post#252590    
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The field has been posted, but the bracket has not. Wonder if we might end up at Penn State? Would be nice for our fans.
https://www.womensnit.com/tournament-field.html

 
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03-12-18 08:52 PM - Post#252595    
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Mid-pack teams we could potentially play (w/ RPI)
Delaware 106
G Mason 109
Georgetown 96
Miami OH 78 (unlikely)
Penn St 93
Seton Hall 122 (wishful thinking)

 
Bison137 
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03-12-18 10:37 PM - Post#252632    
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  • jkrun80 Said:
Mid-pack teams we could potentially play (w/ RPI)
Delaware 106
G Mason 109
Georgetown 96
Miami OH 78 (unlikely)
Penn St 93
Seton Hall 122 (wishful thinking)




Given Penn State's RPI and the fact that the WNIT tries to minimize transportation costs, that is definitely a possibility.

That would be a tough matchup. According to Sagarin, PSU at home would be a 9-point favorite.




 
Bison137 
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03-12-18 11:10 PM - Post#252639    
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Well, the women were unfairly given the top team in the NIT, West Virginia. WVU ranks #24 in the Sagarin ratings, and was viewed as the first team out when the brackets were announced. They were 21-11 in what may have been the toughest conference in the nation.

According to Sagarin, the Bison will be a 22 point underdog.




 
jkrun80 
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03-13-18 08:02 AM - Post#252661    
    In response to Bison137

Post season brackets are not kind to the Bison this year. Just have to hope our team is more motivated than their's.

 
DoCtoR62 
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03-13-18 08:38 AM - Post#252663    
    In response to jkrun80

This is hard to believe. At first glance, I wonder if they originally had us paired with Drexel and then realized late that we had already played them this year ... thus forcing the switch to send Robert Morris to Drexel and the Bison to West Virginia.

From a conference perspective, the Patriot League had 2 teams chosen for the tournament and American is a 15-seed in the NCAA tourney, both of which suggest that Bucknell shouldn't be near the bottom of the rankings.

Another possibility is that Bucknell got moved very late after Rutgers withdrew from the event. After initially saying they would accept an offer, the Scarlet Knights backed out b/w the time the field was announced and the bracket was produced. Rutgers, which obviously would have hosted a first round game, was replaced by SF Austin. SFA is scheduled to play at George Mason on Friday meaning several games would have been impacted. Could George Mason have been the Bison's original spot? Guess we'll never know.

In any event, I hope the women have a good experience in the post-season.

Edited by DoCtoR62 on 03-13-18 08:42 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Bison137 
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Re: WBB PL Tournament
03-13-18 02:47 PM - Post#252778    
    In response to DoCtoR62

  • DoCtoR62 Said:
This is hard to believe. At first glance, I wonder if they originally had us paired with Drexel and then realized late that we had already played them this year ... thus forcing the switch to send Robert Morris to Drexel and the Bison to West Virginia.

From a conference perspective, the Patriot League had 2 teams chosen for the tournament and American is a 15-seed in the NCAA tourney, both of which suggest that Bucknell shouldn't be near the bottom of the rankings.

Another possibility is that Bucknell got moved very late after Rutgers withdrew from the event. After initially saying they would accept an offer, the Scarlet Knights backed out b/w the time the field was announced and the bracket was produced. Rutgers, which obviously would have hosted a first round game, was replaced by SF Austin. SFA is scheduled to play at George Mason on Friday meaning several games would have been impacted. Could George Mason have been the Bison's original spot? Guess we'll never know.

In any event, I hope the women have a good experience in the post-season.





Interesting thoughts. One of those theories could explain this bizarre first round matchup. Btw, to add even more evidence - American actually was a 14 seed, not a 15. And they were very close to being a 13.




 
jkrun80 
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03-15-18 07:22 PM - Post#253316    
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On pace for 40 TO's. More TO's than points so far. Not sure why the coaching staff can't solve this problem.

 
jkrun80 
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03-15-18 08:02 PM - Post#253320    
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Down 40-24 at halftime. Managed to cut down on the turnovers. Walker has started to assert herself. Now they need to get Slagus involved. Also, need to make some 3's. Made their first and missed the next 10. The switch to the 2-3 zone seemed to slow WVU down a bit.

 
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03-15-18 08:59 PM - Post#253326    
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WBB is a work in progress when it comes to competing against big time opponents. I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

 
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