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Username Post: All-Ivy Picks        (Topic#21266)
SomeGuy 
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03-04-18 01:09 AM - Post#250678    

My first team: Betley, Brodeur, Lewis, Phils, Towns

Second team: Morgan, Gettings, Oni, Smith, Cannady

HM: Stephens, Bell, Foreman, Cambridge, Anderson

POY: Lewis
DPY: Brodeur
ROY: Cambridge
COY: Donahue

Advanced metrics might work against Oni, but he certainly feels like the best player on the third best team, so I have trouble leaving him out. Also feels weird picking so many offense first players in a year where Defense was king, so Bassey in particular could find his way in there somewhere. And Lewis is the best defensive player in the league, but I doubt he gets both POY and DPY.

 
Silver Maple 
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03-04-18 02:27 PM - Post#250751    
    In response to SomeGuy

1) I love and adore Ryan Betley, and would gladly have his baby, but you could convince me that Matt Morgan, not Ryan, should be on the first team.

2) Perhaps this is just the hopelessly biased Penn fan in me, but I think that Caleb Wood MUST be at least HM.

 
SomeGuy 
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03-04-18 03:49 PM - Post#250787    
    In response to Silver Maple

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Caleb is on there. I think Miles Wright is another league senior who could sneak in there as well.

 
whitakk 
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03-05-18 10:53 AM - Post#250882    
    In response to SomeGuy

Here's our picks:

http://www.nycbuckets.com/2018/03/ivy-league-se aso...

 
Jeff2sf 
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03-05-18 11:01 AM - Post#250886    
    In response to whitakk

y no betley? Seems weird for co-champ Penn to get one player on all ivy team for that essentially ran away and hid from 3rd and 4th place.

 
palestra38 
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03-05-18 11:03 AM - Post#250888    
    In response to whitakk

Essentially, they gave all the credit for Penn's shared title to Donahue. Very little to the players.

 
mrjames 
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03-05-18 11:19 AM - Post#250893    
    In response to palestra38

I think Betley/Morgan will be the battle here for 1st team/2nd team (maybe they both make it if there's a tie like last year). Adding Betley to the top two teams means that someone has to come off from what Kevin posted (again, assuming no ties). I'd wager the odd man out would be Mike Smith. Otherwise, Kevin's thoughts at NY Buckets match almost exactly what I posted.

This seems to be an easy year to figure out, which is strange because the teams were closer together top-to-bottom than I can remember, so you'd figure there'd be a lot more variance in thoughts about the awards. As others have stated, I do hope that the HM list includes some seniors that had really nice years, including those previously mentioned (Foreman, Bell, Wood and Wright) along with one I haven't seen mentioned: Taylor Johnson.

 
palestra38 
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03-05-18 11:27 AM - Post#250895    
    In response to mrjames

Caleb Wood scored over 10 ppg in only 19 minutes (and a comparable 11.7 in 22 minutes in league play). That's pretty incredible. So was his 70% shooting from 2, which reflects what a great weapon he was.

I don't think the Quakers are where they are without him and he will be the toughest senior to replace next year. But Wood should receive some sort of award.

 
Jeff2sf 
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03-05-18 11:35 AM - Post#250899    
    In response to palestra38

I don't have a big opinion on 1st team v 2nd team, Mike. I was reacting to Betley being left off 2nd team.

 
mrjames 
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03-05-18 11:37 AM - Post#250900    
    In response to palestra38

It's funny because a lot of conferences have a sixth-man of the year award, which I'd have to assume Caleb would win easy. Question is whether coaches will reward someone that played about half of his team's minutes. I'm doubtful, but we'll see.

 
SomeGuy 
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03-05-18 01:14 PM - Post#250906    
    In response to mrjames

Why no love for Trey Phills (who I actually had as a first teamer)? If it is only for the conference season, he should be on the list somewhere. 23.3 PER in conference, high win shares, high ORAT. Best defender on the team. What is the argument for leaving him off? I don’t see how Oni goes ahead of him in conference just looking at his own team, and it doesn’t seem like anybody from Princeton should be ahead of him when they have worse numbers AND lost a lot more games.

 
whitakk 
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03-05-18 01:53 PM - Post#250910    
    In response to SomeGuy

Penn won the title because it had the best third, fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh men in the league. I don't like the "quota" approach to all-league awards (even if that's how it often works in practice).

That said, Betley is plenty deserving and I expect he'll make the coaches' list. (First-team seems a bit rich to me but not indefensible.)

Good catch on Phills, we should have had him HM. He's a case where I don't think you can fully rely on stats -- he got a lot of his points by drawing the worst defender when Oni/Copeland got more attention -- but he does have a case.

FWIW while I weight conference play more heavily I do consider non-league play too. (not that it makes a huge difference this year).

 
palestra38 
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03-05-18 02:05 PM - Post#250914    
    In response to whitakk

It's the old debate whether it's a most valuable player competition or most outstanding player competition. If you lean MVP criteria, as I do, you go with players from the best teams unless there are numbers that are outliers statistically. There are only 3 teams in my opinion that should have players on the first team and most of the second team.

 
penn nation 
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03-05-18 02:10 PM - Post#250916    
    In response to whitakk

Yeah, Betley has to be somewhere there. Hard to see how you have 2 Princeton guys and only 1 Penn guy. I'd probably kick Cannady off.

 
SomeGuy 
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03-05-18 04:36 PM - Post#250949    
    In response to penn nation

Yes, I actually went with Bell (the senior) on my list and kicked both Cannady and Stephens off! Suspect all 3 will be at least HM.

 
penn nation 
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03-05-18 04:41 PM - Post#250953    
    In response to SomeGuy

I've seen quite a few Princeton games and Stephens has impressed me the most this year.

 
SomeGuy 
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03-05-18 04:45 PM - Post#250955    
    In response to penn nation

That’s because he is the most impressive. I downgrade him based on the same bias that got me into trouble talking about Evan Boudreaux— when things go awry, I tend to give disproportionate blame to the best players. Stephens is such a good two way player that it feels to me like he has failed if the team fails.

 
SomeGuy 
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03-05-18 04:57 PM - Post#250960    
    In response to whitakk

That was true the first Penn game, but in the second they seemed to devote more resources to stopping Phils than Copeland. Without success.

I also think Phils draws the toughest assignment the other way, for what that’s worth.

Stopping him also looks deceptively simple — every time Yale puts up a shot, I think “somebody put a body on Phils.” It must be easier said than done, because he just keeps flying in there.

 
rbg 
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03-05-18 05:50 PM - Post#250970    
    In response to SomeGuy

POY: Seth Towns (AJ Brodeur runner-up)
DPOY: Justin Bassey (AJ Brodeur and Chris Lewis runner-up)
Coach of the Year: Steve Donahue (Brian Earl runner-up, but certainly James Jones did a great job)
ROY: Desmond Cambridge
Sixth Man: Caleb Wood (T-Choh and Stefanini were pretty good, as well)
Most improved: Christian Juzang (Darnell Foreman runner-up)

1st team - Towns, Brodeur, Lewis, Morgan and Betley
2nd team - Gettings, Oni, Cannady, Cambridge and Smith
Hon Mention - Stephens, Anderson, Juzang, Foreman, Adlesh, Wright

All-Rookie: Cambridge, Julian, Atkinson, Choh, Stefanini

________________

Women's
POY: Alarie (Princeton)
DPOY: Simpson (Yale)
COY: Kocalanes (Dartmouth)
Sixth Person: Skinner (Harvard)
Most Improved: Lippold (Dartmouth)

1st team: Alarie, Zimmerman (Columbia), Nwokedi (Penn), Letkiewicz (Dartmouth), and Benzan (Harvard)
2nd team: Parker (Penn), Robinson (Princeton), Berkowitz (Yale), Simpson (Yale), and Gaziano (Brown)
Honorable Mention: Widmann (Cornell), Skinner, Mehta (Brown), Ross (Penn), Barahman (Yale), Lippold (Dartmouth)

All-Rookie: Parker, Bush (Harvard), Littlefield (Princeton), Leonidas (Brown), Meyers (Princeton)

 
tkapiko 
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All-Ivy Picks
03-05-18 06:06 PM - Post#250977    
    In response to SomeGuy

I agree. Phills should be on one of the teams, but not ahead of Oni. I think their roles on the offensive and defensive ends balance out because Oni draws the best defender on opposing teams while Phills take on the best offensive player. Oni leads the team in ppg, rpg, apg, both overall and in conference play. I love when they both run the floor; they are elite athletes. I think Oni made everybody better, including Phills and the freshmen Atkinson and Swain, dishing them assists.

Edited by tkapiko on 03-05-18 06:06 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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