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Username Post: All-Ivy Picks        (Topic#21266)
PennFan10 
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03-05-18 06:40 PM - Post#250983    
    In response to tkapiko

Oni is one of the best 2 way players in the league, there really are only 1-2 other guys in his category in my opinion.

 
bradley 
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03-05-18 09:16 PM - Post#251006    
    In response to mrjames

I would be very surprised if Morgan is not 1st team. Thought that he might be in the top three for POY - possibly #2.

 
PennFan10 
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03-05-18 09:24 PM - Post#251008    
    In response to bradley

I like Towns, Brodeur and Lewis, maybe Oni as POY candidates. There isn't another player who impacts their team on both ends like those guys do.

 
SomeGuy 
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03-06-18 09:14 AM - Post#251032    
    In response to PennFan10

A couple of issues with Oni. One is the sub 100 ORAT. The other is the scoring inconsistency (they may relate). There are just too many games where he doesn’t score, and the team tends to lose those games.

 
JadwinGeorge 
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03-06-18 10:05 AM - Post#251037    
    In response to SomeGuy

First Team: Lewis, Brodeur, Towns, Morgan, Stephens.
Tigers' collapse not his fault.
POY: Brodeur
DPOY: Lewis
ROY: Cambridge (easiest choice of all)
COY: Donohue (pretty easy as well)

 
Columbia Alum 
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All-Ivy Picks
03-06-18 10:27 AM - Post#251041    
    In response to SomeGuy

Matt Morgan should be player of the year, no question he was the best player in the league, regardless of how badly his team performed, this is not a team award, and how a team does as a whole influences the award too much. Lewis or AJ should be DPOY.

First team: Lewis, Towns, AJ, Morgan, Oni, Betley
Second Team: Smith, Anderson, Stephens, Gettings, Copeland
HM: Cambridge, Cannady, Wright, Meisner, Foreman
ROY: Anderson

COY: Donahue or Jones

Edited by Columbia Alum on 03-06-18 10:27 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
mrjames 
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03-06-18 10:36 AM - Post#251042    
    In response to JadwinGeorge

My final guesses (think the official awards will be out today):

POY - Towns
DPOY - Bell
ROY - Cambridge
COY - Donahue

1st Team
*Towns
*Brodeur
*Lewis
*Morgan
Oni

2nd Team/HM
Betley
Gettings
Cambridge
Cannady
Stephens
Smith
Phills
Foreman
Bassey

 
Go Green 
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03-06-18 11:18 AM - Post#251045    
    In response to rbg

  • rbg Said:

Women's

COY: Kocalanes (Dartmouth)



While the Dartmouth women showed great improvement this season, and also had arguably the best OOC results of any Dartmouth basketball team in recent memory, I'm still not convinced that Koclanes will be able to return us to the glory days when Dartmouth routinely competed for the championship.

Its really hard to shake the interview she gave last year to the Valley News when she (in essence) said that winning a championship is extremely difficult. While she's not necessarily wrong, coaches like Teevens routinely say that winning a championship is the goal and I know that he feels bad when we come up short--even if we took second.

I don't get that same vibe from Koclanes...

 
Old Bear 
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Re: All-Ivy Picks
03-06-18 11:27 AM - Post#251048    
    In response to Columbia Alum

I trust you meant Cambridge for ROY, Anderson is a Soph.

 
PennFan10 
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03-06-18 11:58 AM - Post#251055    
    In response to Old Bear

Morgan is not a great defender, though he is the best scorer and a great distributor. Towns has more of an impact on both ends than Morgan. So does AJ and Lewis for that matter. Defense matters for POY

 
Go Green 
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03-06-18 12:02 PM - Post#251056    
    In response to Go Green

  • Go Green Said:
  • rbg Said:

Women's

COY: Kocalanes (Dartmouth)



While the Dartmouth women showed great improvement this season, and also had arguably the best OOC results of any Dartmouth basketball team in recent memory, I'm still not convinced that Koclanes will be able to return us to the glory days when Dartmouth routinely competed for the championship.

Its really hard to shake the interview she gave last year to the Valley News when she (in essence) said that winning a championship is extremely difficult. While she's not necessarily wrong, coaches like Teevens routinely say that winning a championship is the goal and I know that he feels bad when we come up short--even if we took second.

I don't get that same vibe from Koclanes...



I also should have mentioned that the optics would look bad if Koclanes gets COY.

Is taking Dartmouth to a whooping fifth place finish such a Herculean accomplishment warranting an award?




 
SomeGuy 
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Re: All-Ivy Picks
03-06-18 01:06 PM - Post#251066    
    In response to Columbia Alum

Last year, I seemed to make some enemies arguing that Evan Boudreaux shouldn’t be in the POY conversation, and was far from a lock for first team. However, there were individual statistical arguments against him — low ORAT, box score +/- said team played better with him off the floor, etc. For Morgan, none of that is true. High counting stats, high ORAT, box score +/- shows team is much better when he is on the floor, etc. He’s just a beast on offense. And no turnovers despite the high usage rate and having to carry the team. Amazing.

So for Morgan, i’m really reduced to the simple argument that the team went 6-8. I think that is a non-starter for POY (hasn’t happened since early 80s that a sub .500 team in conference produced the POY. So I don’t think it will happen now, and I don’t think it should. But if ever there was a time for it, Morgan would be the guy.

 
Columbia Alum 
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Re: All-Ivy Picks
03-06-18 01:34 PM - Post#251078    
    In response to Old Bear

meant Cambridge ROY, hands down

 
Columbia Alum 
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Re: All-Ivy Picks
03-06-18 01:42 PM - Post#251082    
    In response to SomeGuy

Yes Morgan's is not a top class defender, but not a terrible defender either. Frankly his offensive game, considering usage, efficiency and impact is head, shoulders and feet above anyone else in the league. This makes his overall impact and contribution bigger than towns, lewis, brodeur or anyone else with a much better supporting cast. You can argue the others are more balanced on both ends of the court, but that is because morgan is so damn good on offense.

Cornell is 6-8, but I have no doubt they would be 0-14 or at best 1-13 without him.

 
palestra38 
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Re: All-Ivy Picks
03-06-18 01:47 PM - Post#251084    
    In response to Columbia Alum

Towns is, without question, the best player in the league. Morgan is talented, but not in the same stratosphere. I would say Stephens is second best.

 
mrjames 
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Reg: 11-21-04
Re: All-Ivy Picks
03-06-18 04:01 PM - Post#251101    
    In response to palestra38

Just released:

PLAYER OF THE YEAR
Seth Towns, Harvard (So., F – Columbus, Ohio)

ROOKIE OF THE YEAR
*Desmond Cambridge, Brown (Fr., G – Nashville, Tenn.)

DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR
Amir Bell, Princeton (Sr., G – East Brunswick, N.J.)

COACH OF THE YEAR
Steve Donahue, Penn

FIRST TEAM ALL-IVY
*AJ Brodeur, Penn (So., F – Northborough, Mass.)
*Matt Morgan, Cornell (Jr., G – Concord, N.C.)
*Miye Oni, Yale (So., G – Porter Ranch, Calif.)
*Seth Towns, Harvard (So., F – Columbus, Ohio)
Chris Lewis, Harvard (So,. F/C – Alpharetta, Ga.)

SECOND TEAM ALL-IVY^
Stone Gettings, Cornell (Jr., F – Malibu, Calif.)
Myles Stephens, Princeton (Jr., F – Lawrenceville, N.J.)
Ryan Betley, Penn (So., G – Downingtown, Pa.)
Mike Smith, Columbia (So., G – Burr Ridge, Ill.)
Desmond Cambridge, Brown (Fr., G – Nashville, Tenn.)
Devin Cannady, Princeton (Jr., G – Mishawaka, Ind.)
Trey Phills, Yale (Jr., G – Charlotte, N.C.)

HONORABLE MENTION
Darnell Foreman, Penn (Sr., G – Camden, N.J.)
Justin Bassey, Harvard (So., G – Denver, Colo.)

 
palestra38 
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Reg: 11-21-04
Re: All-Ivy Picks
03-06-18 04:08 PM - Post#251102    
    In response to mrjames

Hard to argue with....they should have a 6th man award, though.

 
SomeGuy 
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Reg: 11-22-04
Re: All-Ivy Picks
03-06-18 04:21 PM - Post#251103    
    In response to mrjames

Looks to me like somebody cheated on their picks.

 
mrjames 
Professor
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Loc: Montclair, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
Re: All-Ivy Picks
03-06-18 04:36 PM - Post#251104    
    In response to SomeGuy

What you just heard from my opponent is an attack on my integrity and my character. And I will not reply in kind. Instead, I will take those remarks and tuck them away, away in a tiny "lock-box," where all bad thoughts go.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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03-06-18 04:47 PM - Post#251105    
    In response to mrjames

Good selections, although I think Lewis is a game crayon defense, more so than any other player in the league. He’ll get it next year.

 
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